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|  Posted 17-11-2008 at 19:01
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On 2008-11-16 08:02, davidmorgan wrote:
[quote]the moon rises in the West and sets in the East. |
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Huh?
[/quote]Relative to West and East, it does. A more precise description though would be moves from West to East.
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| Posted 17-11-2008 at 20:21
A new question of the day appears every day of the year on the front page of Almanac.com. Below is the answer to one of the questions from our Questions and Answers Archive where you can find over 1,000 more questions (with answers!).
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Does the Moon rise and set as the Sun rises in the east and sets in the west? The enormous full Moon always takes me by surprise, and I'd love to get some shots of a big yellow Moon. Is it possible to predict the dates and times when the Moon will appear largest over the horizon?
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Basically, the Moon rises in the east and sets in the west, but its path varies during the month because its orbit is elliptical. However, you will never see a rising Moon in the west or a setting Moon in the east. The time to see a huge Moon is in its full phase and when it is close to the horizon. If you check the right-hand calendar pages in the print Almanac, you will see the notation "Moon runs low"; this is when it is closest to the horizon. Check the date for each such notation, then check the left-hand calendar page for the Moon's phase and the time of its rising and setting for that date.
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| Posted 17-11-2008 at 21:41
C'mon Mike, you can do better than that.
Again we have people relying on the "Inter-webby-thingy."
This is precisely what I meant by "Lost Knowledge."
I read that the moon's movement is an illusion and that the Megalith builders were aware of this. It took me a while to figure out the illusion, but to check the scientific facts on the Internet took far longer.
Maybe I should call up the demons Kev & Paul from their cthonic dwellings to help.
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| Posted 17-11-2008 at 21:59
Sem,
You rubbed the portal oil lamp?
As you watch the smoke emitting from the oil lamp, try to imagine it circulating around the lamp, and as it does it starts to circulate in alternate directions as the diameters enlarge, then imagine that you the observer are looking through these circulations, a little bit like a zoe trope, thats the thing sometimes on the antiques road show with slits in a circuler drum, it gives the ILLUSION of movement.
The knowledge will have been lost through catastrophe/s.
We may shortly face one of these, and be sent straight back into the stone age, the few that survive will remember now, and will try to implement that knowledge via the only available stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtsOc0E9WbQ
This loss of knowledge is discussed in these clips.
Kevin
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| Posted 17-11-2008 at 22:05
Sem,
Zoetrope is all one word,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoetrope
I had one a few years ago with aprox twenty cards, made a fair profit on it, but should have kept it really.
Kevin
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| Posted 17-11-2008 at 22:59
Sorry AndyB, didn't mean to let the Genie out of the bottle.
Cheers
Sem
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| Posted 17-11-2008 at 23:05
Maybe a group of genies, will refer to themselves as US, therefore they are genius's?
Kevin
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| Posted 18-11-2008 at 04:40
Genius's is the singular possessive, derived from "genius his" from L. gignere "begets". Germ. *getan, IE *ghed "seize", from OF seizir L. sacire Germ.*sakjan "quarrel". "Seizure" is "sudden attack of apoplexy, stroke". A stroke of the moon, "moon-struck" is "deranged in mind".
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| Posted 18-11-2008 at 08:10
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On 2008-11-18 04:40, chimera wrote:
Genius's is the singular possessive, derived from "genius his" from L. gignere "begets". Germ. *getan, IE *ghed "seize", from OF seizir L. sacire Germ.*sakjan "quarrel". "Seizure" is "sudden attack of apoplexy, stroke". A stroke of the moon, "moon-struck" is "deranged in mind".
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YOU would KNOW.
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| Posted 18-11-2008 at 10:43
There are probably 5 main things that you need to know about the appearance of the moon:
1. Synodic month (full moon to full moon) = 29.53 days
2. Sidereal month (moon's orbit around the earth) = 27.32 days
3. Anomalistic month (moon's period of eccentricity - apogee to apogee) = 27.55 days
4. Draconic month (moon crossing the plane of the ecliptic - ascending node to ascending node) = 27.21 days
5. Earth's nutation period (slight wobble in its rotational axis) = 18.6 years (see
Callanish).
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| Posted 18-11-2008 at 13:39
Davidmorgan,
All of your posts timings are relative to todays notion of TIME.
It is ASSUMED that the time known in the past was regulated by the sun and moon in particuler, either via sun dials or position relative to other more fixed stars etc?
I witnessed something just yesterday, all the leaves on the trees were falling in profusion, shortly after a full moon.
It would be ASSUMED that the trees can't tell the time, but all of the trees were dropping their leaved in unison, SOMETHING triggered that, and there was no frost.
Have You never wondered about life before clocks?, they are fairly recent in general use.
How did they KNOW when to plant specific seeds, in other words what is time?
The moons specific course and position will have had no clock timings as you mentioned.
Our lives are governed totally by clock timing now, but we have no idea if that TIME bears any resemblance to time thousands of years ago, we will adapt to alteration in time and not even consider that a day may have been far longer in past milleniums, we are conditioned now to believe as fact that what a clock says is set in stone and never varies, that the moon and sun follow exactly these precise pathways , and always have done, but have they?
It is ASSUMPTION to consider they have, without first finding what makes them take the apparent course they take, what is the driving force that they appear to follow?
It is given as ASSUMPTION that it is gravity, without the slightest idea of what gravity is.
NOBODY can tell You what gravity is.
Nobody can tell you what light is.
nobody can tell You what time is.
There is not a single thing in universe that can be said to be fixed, so how can anybody declare timings of anything?
Unless You break free of this stated as fact nonesense of many things, you will never comprehend the megaliths, as I consider they were constructed by those that did know what gravity, light and time are.
We happen to exist in a fairly stable portion of space, where the illusion of timing can be fairly accurately utilised as we do, but it is ASSUMPTION to ascribe anything as relative now to many milleniums ago.
I have very good reason/s to know what was utilised and manipulated by the megaliths, and am kept downstairs , ridiculed , and laughed at, and this thread asks "why has knowledge been lost" almost everywhere if you do not conform to the accepted norm. then you are subjected to "Burn the witch" as I think of it.
Who set the so called time as now used?
Who wish's to control all via this?
Must go, my clock say's it's teatime, but it always is that time, downstairs.
Kevin
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| Posted 18-11-2008 at 16:57
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On 2008-11-17 21:41, sem wrote:
C'mon Mike, you can do better than that..............
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No I can't Sem, I'm not permitted to engage folk up here as I do below. It's the rules. Handy for folk who can't stand up for themselves.
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| Posted 19-11-2008 at 09:23
"There are probably 5 main things that you need to know about the appearance of the moon: "
Also, that it rises in the west sometimes, and at varying speeds, when it loses knowledge of the orbital equation, which is not funny.
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| Posted 19-11-2008 at 10:51
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we will adapt to alteration in time and not even consider that a day may have been far longer in past milleniums [sic] |
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Actually, it was shorter.
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| Posted 19-11-2008 at 20:13
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The figure I got for the sidereal month was 27.29 days and was described as "to reach the same position relative to the background of the stars."
I'm in the process of learning about things stellar from the scientific point of view and so have to ask which is correct?
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| Posted 19-11-2008 at 23:33
Or 27.321661 days to be more accurate.
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| Posted 21-11-2008 at 04:49
IF the earth was like the moon and did not spin, the moon would pass overhead 13 times a year and make "13 days". The sunny face would be desert and the rear would be ice. IF Eurasia faced the sun, only the Atlantic and Pacific would be in twilight and support animals but without land. A west-rising moon would not matter.
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| Posted 21-11-2008 at 08:21
The moon does rotate on its axis. Imagine looking at it from the sun, you would see all parts of it over a period of roughly 27/29 days. Tidal forces have synchronised its orbital and rotation times.
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| Posted 21-11-2008 at 08:37
Yes, it keeps one side facing the earth. With no turning , the moon's dark side would be permanently frozen. But in earth's case, having one side only facing the sun would cause freezing on the back. With faster spin than now, the sea currents and wind would probably be stronger..?
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| Posted 21-11-2008 at 10:02
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IF the earth ... did not spin. |
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Then a year would be the same as a day, half a year in darkness and half a year in sunlight.
[ This message was edited by: davidmorgan on 2008-11-21 10:04 ]
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