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|  Posted 06-11-2008 at 19:54
Many people "Down Below" (ie the Mysterious Forum), keep referring to lost knowledge and practises they have re-discovered. As someone with an open mind and experience of things megalithic, I put my mind to the idea and have to say I agree with the heretics.
Consider your average Neolithic tribe. The shaman dies before he can impart all his wisdom to his apprentice. The only way our apprentice can complete his education is by learning from a new shaman, who, as in any oral tradition, will have put his own slant on things.
The end result is that the original shaman's knowledge is lost or distorted. The apprentice cannot refer to books or check ideas on the internet and so has to rely on partially learned lessons and teaching from a new mentor.
I don't agree that knowledge has been suppressed but lost, certainly.
Ideas anyone?
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| Posted 06-11-2008 at 20:54
I'm not permitted to chat on this forum Sem, so why not take it down stairs. You're serious about unsuppressed knowledge right!?
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| Posted 06-11-2008 at 21:40
Yes Mike, extremely serious, but I would prefer to keep this topic in a Historical/Archaeological context.
If you wish to duplicate it for "them below," feel free.
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| Posted 07-11-2008 at 04:36
Disagree. Sagas were recited to groups. Celtic genealogies also, with relevant descendants alert to check errors. Aboriginal law is given in groups of elders and learners. So there would be over-laps in life-times of both teachers and student groups, to correct any deviations. However change would occur with new ideas which raised or lowered the value of something. An example was the warrior vs. brahmin dispute , with Indra and Danu rising in Europe and sinking in India. Knowledge was lost when written, as in the burning of the libraries in Egypt, twice. And the pious Spanish burnt the Amerindian books. Writings of Kevin survive.
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| Posted 07-11-2008 at 04:48
I'm sure lots of things have been forgotten, in just the way you describe. But that doesn't mean anyone has evidence to specify WHAT has been forgotten, that's the issue. "They forgot how to make televisions". Did they??
One of the reasons things get forgotten is because they outlive their usefulness. Lots of ancient skills used by farm workers are dying out in this country as a result of mechanisation for instance.
If usefulness tends to cause things to be remembered, not forgotten, then forgetting how to effortlessly move 40 ton stones by switching gravity off seems a tad careless.
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| Posted 07-11-2008 at 06:07
Megalith contractors carried a lot of weight and often took their secret to an early grave. Really a sacred site and mystery.
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| Posted 07-11-2008 at 06:25
"Megalith contractors carried a lot of weight and often took their secret to an early grave."
You bet! Saying to a sweaty work gang "Look lads, it's easy. Forget what you have been TOLD, this rock is as light as a feather" gets you beaten to death pretty fast.
I totally sympathise with the workers. We had a PE teacher like that bloke. He's under the rugby posts now. Where shall we put Kev?
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| Posted 07-11-2008 at 07:08
When Kev follows the line-out he is crash-tackled before he is half-way converted.
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| Posted 08-11-2008 at 01:56
Pliny the Elder wrote_
"One day a goldsmith in Rome was allowed to show the Emperor Tiberius a dinner plate of a new metal. The plate was very light, and almost as bright as silver. The goldsmith told the Emperor that he had made the metal from plain clay. He also assured the Emperor that only he, himself, and the Gods knew how to produce this metal from clay. The Emperor became very interested, and as a financial expert he was also a little concerned. The Emperor felt immediately, however, that all his treasures of gold and silver would decline in value if people started to produce this bright metal of clay. Therefore, instead of giving the goldsmith the regard expected, he ordered him to be beheaded."
Catherine the Great put a man in prison for showing her hydro-carbon oil, which had no use. How often was this the end of ancient discoveries?
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| Posted 08-11-2008 at 08:28
Interesting....brings us back to aluminium again(see mysteries thread)
Now there was a scientist recently who claimed he could convert two jets of water into something very akin to electricity...whatever happened to him..and his experiments????
(Mind you I sometimes suspect I read these things on April 1st...then several years later remember the article...but not the date it was published)
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| Posted 08-11-2008 at 11:48
First seen at the Stonehenge boat-ramp on Avon:
Foiljet by Matt De Bellefeuille and Robert Vandenham » Yanko Design
Jet-Ski above the water with an electrically charged motor ... http://www.yankodesign.com/2008/10/27/high-flying-jet-ski-action-with-no-environmental-reaction/ - 59k -
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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 02:40
Bonjour 
Yeah, with the lost knowledge- i think with the vedic texts, they had them off by heart, and the religious sages in india today still know them off by heart from what i've heard. I think there may have been strict penalties for misrepeating the words etc (don't know how they could memorize it all).
I think the Druids had a similar system of oral memory via verses. Possibly the verses are in code so only the initiates know the secrets... (not written down so 'ordinary' non-initiates couldn't figure out the secrets?)
re: anti gravity/levitation of stones - perhaps they knew more about science than us, who knows. Or had a different type of science.
Au revoir, i return to the mysteries forum now. 
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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 05:03
From deep ocean , strange creatures drift upwards as light fades to wander across dark seas gathering quick mouthfuls, then as dawn returns its time to slide away down cold currents into the gloomy depths of mysteries.
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| Posted 12-11-2008 at 04:04
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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 20:11
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On 2008-11-08 08:28, AlbertResonox wrote:
Interesting....brings us back to aluminium again.........
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And again:
If you were of a slightly cynical mind (who us?!), it would almost seem that nobody at the top wants to hear any evidence contradicting the fluoride dogma. The approved studies are designed (and funded) purely to decide whether adding fluoride for teeth can be considered ‘a good thing’. This is the result demanded by big business eager to turn an expensive-to-get-rid-of toxic industrial waste product (left over in pesticide production, aluminium processing and nuclear uranium enriching, amongst other things) into a ‘miracle’ health ingredient to be boxed up, re-branded and sold back in small amounts to the general public in return for a handsome profit. Well you can see their logic. Two birds with one stone and profits up. No wonder that the many more recent long term-studies and peer-reviews of past data showing no provable benefits (and many possible negatives) are swiftly discredited or ignored.
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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 20:15
More here
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| Posted 14-11-2008 at 02:59
That reminds me of an ancient Chinese iron/steel smelter, where there is a huge immovable slag-lump of pig-iron. Maybe someone bought it and used Kevin technology on it?
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| Posted 15-11-2008 at 18:38
Now, now children, can we stick to archaeological and historical stuff. Forget fluoride and anti-gravity machines, we are doing megaliths.
Your homework tonight is to explain:-
1 Why the sun rises and sets where it does.
2 Why the moon rises and sets where it does.
3 Why the moon rises in the West and sets in the East.
4 How did my ancestors discover these things and erect stones to immortalise their findings.
Any pupil found to be tardy in their work, will have to stay in after school and be forced to submit 100 lines to "You Tube" on the subject of "Why I need a friend."
G'Night Class
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| Posted 16-11-2008 at 01:52
3 Why the moon rises in the West and sets in the East.
4 How did my ancestors discover these things and erect stones to immortalise their findings.
They were over the blood-alcohol limlt?
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Huh?
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