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BeardedCircle
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|  Posted 24-10-2008 at 22:29
Hi everybody
I'm really happy to have found this forum cause I'm very interested in megalithism and I would like to share with your some archaeological issues and ask to you some questions.
I'd like to know if you've ever heard anything about the sardinian kind of graves from the neolithic to the Iron Age period. Are you interested in some news about cromlech or stones circles in the Italian (Mediterranean Sea) area.
Sorry again, I'll do my best with the language.
Ciao 
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Andy B
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| Posted 25-10-2008 at 19:09
Hello, welcome to the forum. We have quite a few Sardinian sites listed so that's a good place to start:
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/search.php?query=&country=9&county=300&type=stories
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BeardedCircle
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|  Posted 26-10-2008 at 22:45
Hi and thank you very much, you really have a lot of sites listed. And I have to say that they are very significant monuments with photos of a good quality. But here I am again, It has been easier to find interesting material well listed here than in a sardinian web site. And... I live there.
In Sardinian there are a lot of problems with archaeology in general and the situation is the reflex of Italy. However, we could talk about this issues in other topics of this forum (if anyone is interested in).
What I would ask to you are some questions about your point of view (or information) on the megalithic graves, especially from Sardinia (tombe di giganti, allè couvertes, dolmen and stone circles. I'll like to have an "english" point of view.
I have some difficult and dubt (?) in the "reading" of some particular and unusual monument.
What do you think or what do you know about stone circle in Sardinia:
- do you know anything about stone circle of 20/30 meters diameter in front of the esedra (entrance) of the tombe di giganti?
Thank you so much in advance, I really want to check the point of view from the foreigners instead of italian. I'm trying to make wider my knowledge in this math.
bye
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Andy B
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| Posted 28-10-2008 at 16:29
Hello, I don't know much about these sites, sorry. We would appreciate more photos of sites in the area if you could take some for us.
Thanks
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| Posted 28-10-2008 at 16:52
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On 2008-10-26 22:45, BeardedCircle wrote:
Hi and thank you very much, you really have a lot of sites listed. And I have to say that they are very significant monuments with photos of a good quality. But here I am again, It has been easier to find interesting material well listed here than in a sardinian web site. And... I live there.
In Sardinian there are a lot of problems with archaeology in general and the situation is the reflex of Italy. However, we could talk about this issues in other topics of this forum (if anyone is interested in).
What I would ask to you are some questions about your point of view (or information) on the megalithic graves, especially from Sardinia (tombe di giganti, allè couvertes, dolmen and stone circles. I'll like to have an "english" point of view.
I have some difficult and dubt (?) in the "reading" of some particular and unusual monument.
What do you think or what do you know about stone circle in Sardinia:
- do you know anything about stone circle of 20/30 meters diameter in front of the esedra (entrance) of the tombe di giganti?
Thank you so much in advance, I really want to check the point of view from the foreigners instead of italian. I'm trying to make wider my knowledge in this math.
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Do /can we call you beardie ? Have never visited but will check for pics , it looks like the sun will shine into the passage on the equinox or close to it .
George
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BeardedCircle
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| Posted 28-10-2008 at 18:39
You surely can call me beardie. Only after the first registration, I started to fell tha the nickname I choosen was probably quite… funny or even ambiguous name, sorry I don’t meant strange thing I was only thinking to my pointed beard and to the circles, so… I hope you don’t mind for it and… call me beardie (I told you about my bad English, I’ll ever try to do my best).
I’m sorry to don’t have any photos to show you for the moment but thank you for your answers and for you checks (or may be checkings?) and I have to say that I don't know, at the moment, any site of this kind. I’ll try to draw for you a simple scheme of what I exactly mean with my previous question.
I’m quite on line with one of the most common interpretation of the Tombe Di Giganti areas. For my knowledge of the current studies in this sector, many researchers think that the space included between the two arms of the esedra in front of the TDG were a sacred area for ceremonies connected with the afterlife world. For an unknown (or non well known) reason, the most quantity of the broken ceramics (a wide spread use in ancient times) were discovered nearby the left arm of the TDG, the right arm for who look at its front. There are only suspects about the possibly rites practised there, one of them could be the incubation (incubazione). It’s supposed the use of some kind of natural drugs (as the local erba strammonia) or mushrooms to get dreams and trips able to connect the subjects with the death people.
Now, I don’t know which were the supposed rites practised in ancient time (neither the period) nearby the UK megalithic circles. I would like to know something about this issue to think on the possibly similar things among our megalithic situations and yours. This is one of the reasons because I’m trying to understand if a stone circle in front of a TDG could be plausible or not.
thank you and bye
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| Posted 28-10-2008 at 19:00
hoping to don't have done any mistake, I've added a simple scheme in the Italy area of the space reserved to submit a image.
If it's wrong I apologize, if it's a problem please delete it
thank you
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tiompan
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| Posted 28-10-2008 at 19:44
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On 2008-10-28 19:00, BeardedCircle wrote:
hoping to don't have done any mistake, I've added a simple scheme in the Italy area of the space reserved to submit a image.
If it's wrong I apologize, if it's a problem please delete it
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Hello Beardie , your english is fine .I now realise that " Giants Tomb "is a generic name and I had only seen a plan of one therefore the remark about the equinox sun would not necessarily apply to all the tombs .having had a look a tsome examples the closest we probably "Court Tombs " found in Ireland which have a similar architecture ,as do Cotswold -Severn tombs like Stoney Litleton and horned cairns like Camster in Scotland . I don't know of ant tha thave a stone circle although some passage graves have a surrounding stone circle e.g. Clava cairns , Newgrange . We don't know the function of the court or what ceremonies ,if any , took place there but it's not an unreasonable conclusion that the court area was to allow more people to see what was going on , in some cases the horned cairns overlie older cairns that would not have allowed this access . Similarly we don't know what the drug of choice ,once again ,if any , was . There were traces of belladonna found in a pot from Balfarg but to extrapolate from that is dangerous . Sardinia has different fauna and there also might be more convincing evidence , if there is I would be interested to hear it .
George
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BeardedCircle
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| Posted 05-11-2008 at 21:54
Hi and thank you very much for all your answers,
sorry, but at the moment I'm very busy and I haven't enough time to reply to messages.
I'm going to do it as soon as possible.
by
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BeardedCircle
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|  Posted 26-11-2008 at 22:06
Hi everybody,
found!
I didn’t knew if the particular kind of Sardinian giant’s tombs I was looking were possible or really existed but now I know.
Obviously I need to read more about it but there’s one of those I was thinking about in a Sardinian little village called Gonnosfanadiga. The name of the tomb is both San Cosimo or Santu Giuanni. In Sardinian there are a lot of ancient monuments called with a saint’s name, it’s because of the Church who tried for centuries to erase ancient religions.
I was looking for stone circles close to the tomb’s “esedra”, in front of the entrance.
I found one that you can see on this link
http://www.sardegnadigitallibrary.it/index.php?xsl=626&s=17&v=9&c=4461&id=103511
the sardegnadigitallibrary has got a lot of other useful images about Sardinian ancient monuments, I’m going to check what I can find about the researches and digs over that sites, I only know that some of the materials founded there now are located in the Museum of Sardara (Sardinia).
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| Posted 27-11-2008 at 09:16
barbuto,
On a different question: do you know of "acciamara" of sheep and goat men? Did they wear horns on their head? In Spain, zamarrones wear zamarra (zimara), and had goat horns on their head. A sculptured Celtic spear-man from Rome 3rd. century BC, has goat horns.
Por favor.
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| Posted 27-11-2008 at 09:43
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On 2008-11-27 09:16, chimera wrote:
barbuto,
On a different question: do you know of "acciamara" of sheep and goat men? Did they wear horns on their head? In Spain, zamarrones wear zamarra (zimara), and had goat horns on their head. A sculptured Celtic spear-man from Rome 3rd. century BC, has goat horns.
Por favor.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NYsrOPwj-co ?
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BeardedCircle
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| Posted 27-11-2008 at 22:33
Hi Chimera,
surely your post were easy written but I'm sorry I didn't understood it very well, I'm not sure.
Do you need to know something about the Sardinian Mamuthones and the horns issue?
If so, Tiompan has posted a good link to show us their performaces (Hi Tiompan, as you might have already understood I'm Marco) but mamuthones hasn't got any horns. I haven't got a great knowledge about them but we have others masks at the sardinian carnival. Take a look to these links where you can see the "boe and merdules" which are horned zoomorphic masks. The representations show hunting scenes where some of them, called "issoccadores" catch "animals" with a rope (something like a lazo).
Be patient with me if I didn't understand and explain me better if you want to know more
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRJtBY4npQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yM3QQbet9Cg&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_k21AiLLHks&feature=related
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|  Posted 27-11-2008 at 23:05
it could me not so appropriate but here are two links where you could listen to an ancient way to sing survived in Sardinia, it's the so called "canto a tenore"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WsB9P5ziaCM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6QZYaS20UwU
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chimera
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| Posted 28-11-2008 at 02:42
grazie Marco,
The acciamarra/ chamarre in England was made of Angora goat-wool, "seil el kemel. khamlat". The Celts in Galatia, Asia Minor, had a fort at Angora /Ankara. Camulos may have had "acciamara" of "khamlat. camelot", across Europe. He may have danced and sung "canto a tenore" at megaliths.
The Gaulish and Brythonic God, Camulos: ChampionThe Gaulish and Brythonic God, Camulos (also known as Camulus): Champion.
http://www.celtnet.org.uk/gods_c/camulos.html - 18k - Cached - Similar pages
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tiompan
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| Posted 28-11-2008 at 08:02
Hi Marco ,
I just realised it was you . Here's some UK horns (antlers) .
George
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| Posted 28-11-2008 at 08:04
Wonderful . Thanks .
Wonderful .Thanks
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