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kiakanpa
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|  Posted 18-06-2008 at 10:40
I read on the nine ladies page that there were some issues with people camping on stanton moor - and that the police might be removing people from the moor on the evening of the solstice.
I just wondered if anyone had any more information on this - or is it all just hearsay and gossip?
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TimPrevett
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| Posted 18-06-2008 at 11:02
I was at Wet Withens several years ago, and this rumour went about there... and another similar rumour about police staking out Barbrook Circles another year too!
I guess Stanton Moor is the best known and most easily accessed of all them, so who knows? Rumours can be a very good way of policing things even if no police are actually there.
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kiakanpa
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| Posted 18-06-2008 at 11:28
It would be nice if the rumours put off the drunken 'yob' types that have been camping on the moor in the last few years. It seems to be a different type of person camping up there now compaired to 10 years ago.
It is just a shame that everyone get lumped together in the same category of 'campers'
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| Posted 18-06-2008 at 18:44
Sorry to double post. I have just driven passed stanton moor - i don't know if any of you have been lately - but huge stones have been 'dumped' all around the edge of the moor - on all the parking spaces, passing places & lay-bys - i realize that they are trying to deter campers - but this measure seem WAY over the top - it is now not possible go go for a walk on the moor without parking in either birchover or stanton-in-the-peak - i bet the residents LOVE that!
*end rant*
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skeeth
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|  Posted 18-06-2008 at 20:17
there is still parking opposite Birchover Quarry although I agree that it is not close to the Stanton end of the moor. Something needs to be done to deter the rough campers that descend each weekend and leave rubbish behind, last week I found a trail of used sanitary pads on the route to the Circle plus two campsites scattered with bottle tops.
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kiakanpa
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| Posted 19-06-2008 at 08:41
I am quite torn on the camping issue - there are campers who camp out of the way, cause no damage, and leave no litter behind - while I agree that people who damage the area or leave rubbish etc. behind need to be removed - a balance should be struck - that balance is not easy.
I, personally, think it would be better for them to enforce 'good' camping rather than try to stop all camping on the moor - if they had a set of 'rules' that if you abide by you are fine to camp - if you break them - you will be removed from the moor - i would imagine that this would also get police buy-in - as breaking the rules would be 'aggressive tresspass' (a criminal issue) rather then the 'good' camping (a civil issue).
It will probably always be hard to find a balance while the moor is owned by a private estate - it should really be sold to national trust or english heratige (spelling?).
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skeeth
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| Posted 20-06-2008 at 08:28
Somebody years ago stated that when you leave a place you should just leave your footprints and take away memories, nobody can camp on the moor and not leave something behind. The remains of fires, tent pegs, trampled undergrowth, excrement are at the lower end, bagged up rubbish (presumably they think the fairies remove all rubbish), broken bottles, damaged trees are at the upper end. Now add in the disturbance to the wildlife such as deer and hares and it is impossible to not have an impact on the environment. English Heritage do no more than put their name on the info boards and National Trust will not be interested as there is a cost implication. Can I recommend having a look at the Stanton Moor Conservation document produced for the Peak District National Park Authority before you err on the side of the campers? http://www.peakdistrict.gov.uk/stantonmoor.pdf
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kiakanpa
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| Posted 20-06-2008 at 09:43
while I agree with you that it is impossible not to have an impact on the environment - almost all of the things you describe (damage, rubbish, broken bottles, excrement) would NEVER be done by a responsible camper. As for trampled undergrowth & disturbance to the wildlife - having made Stanton Moor open access land will cause more problems to this than campers.
The real hard issue is fires - fires and moor land don't really mix (or mix too well depending how you are looking at it) - while it is possible to have a responsible fire without damaging trees etc. The only places safe to have fires are on bare earth (away from peat) which rules out most of the moor - I remember the rangers did at one point provide 'fire bases' - but unfortunatly not enough - having fires on 90% of the moor is probably very irisponsible.
While I don't agree that ALL camping should be banned from the moor - I have to agree that the majority of people you see camping on Stanton should not be there - they do cause too much damage.
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| Posted 10-07-2008 at 00:01
Personally i've camped up there quite a few times and seen only a handful of people cos i prefer to camp closeby but well outta site, its easily done. The one time the ranger found me he sat and chatted to me for about half an hour and praised me for the way i did it and had no problem with what i was doing. I met the same ranger whilst at the brown edge circle which i showed him cos he had never seen it before, in return he showed me the boundary stone i never knew about. I dont want to come across as promoting camping at sites such as this but if you do it responsibly and with respect you should have no problems. The rangers know its impossible to stop it totally and i have seen them call the police and forcibly remove people who acted like complete tw**s, whilst been cheered on ( by other campers )on one occasion last year.
[ This message was edited by: megadread on 2008-07-10 00:04 ]
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