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|  Posted 30-04-2008 at 21:07
Can anyone help identify what this doughnut-like object in my area (Rochdale) are likely to be?
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| Posted 30-04-2008 at 21:16
..and also this curiously inaccessible thing near the M62 (at it's highest point)
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| Posted 30-04-2008 at 21:19
..and finally a plethora of round indents and rock circles up on the moors
Any suggestions to the above 3 most appreciated
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| Posted 30-04-2008 at 22:44
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On 2008-04-30 21:07, clicketyclik wrote:
Can anyone help identify what this doughnut-like object in my area (Rochdale) are likely to be?
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Yes its a WWII observation post.
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|  Posted 30-04-2008 at 23:18
Can anyone help identify what this doughnut-like object in my area (Rochdale) are likely to be?
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http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=14820
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| Posted 01-05-2008 at 09:07
The face-mask just has to be:
Kelly Armour, a treasure of the State Library of VictoriaThe most complete assemblage of armour worn by Ned Kelly and his gang. ... The armour held by the State Library includes Ned Kelly's helmet, backplate, ...
http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/collections/treasures/kellyarmour1.html - 41k - Cached - Similar pages
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| Posted 01-05-2008 at 12:01
..and also this curiously inaccessible thing near the M62 (at it's highest point)
These are angled concrete blocks, with massive steel bolts through them and deep into the steep underlying strata, to prevent rock tumbling onto the motorway.
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| Posted 01-05-2008 at 12:18
................And your last pic looks like it could be Holcombe Moor (Danger Zone), where the occasional army live firing leaves craters.
If it isn't Holcombe Moor, then I haven't a clue.
http://www.bury.gov.uk/TransportAndStreets/PublicRightsOfWay/HolcombeMoorFiringProgramme.htm
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| Posted 01-05-2008 at 15:06
thanks for the replies. The last one you mention, it is very near what 1810 maps refer to as Dowry Castle, Denshaw, which looks long into ruin.
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| Posted 01-05-2008 at 15:50
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On 2008-05-01 15:06, clicketyclik wrote:
thanks for the replies. The last one you mention, it is very near what 1810 maps refer to as Dowry Castle, Denshaw, which looks long into ruin.
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I thought I recognised it. Dowry Castle is just a natural mound though because of its artifical look it was thought man made in days gone by.
Nearby (maybe the same ones) are some shaped in a field I'm curious about if anyone knows what they are? (not sure if they'e same as yours CC)
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| Posted 01-05-2008 at 18:59
Re Dowry Castle, the old maps to have a building there, and also please check this link:
http://www.marsdenhistory.co.uk/misc/ph_road_trial.html
"..Had been born in Marsden. In 1867 he and his brother were employed in building Dowry Castle for a brewer named Gartside.."
Isn't that referring to it?
over to the left on screen at your link, there are rectilinear depressions and shaped and dressed stone all over the place. Some of it very well done by those old masons. Isn't this the old Dowry Castle then? that stonework and gorgeous dry-stoning there (you should see it) is way too classy for cattle... so much has been scavenged away it's sad 
Now regards those depressions you found on Flash Earth (lovely resource to compare with Google Earth's) could they be cattle/sheep wind shelters maybe? It really is biting up there at times. They are curious looking.
Found similar nearby towards Newhey:
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.600608&lon=-2.070476&z=18.5&r=3&src=aska
The grey circular rock patches I refer to in my Google snapshots aren't as obvious on the Flash Earth data. So I may oil the camera and scurry up for a look (ill dog precluded it so far).
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| Posted 01-05-2008 at 19:52
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On 2008-05-01 18:59, clicketyclik wrote:
Re Dowry Castle, the old maps to have a building there, and also please check this link:
http://www.marsdenhistory.co.uk/misc/ph_road_trial.html
"..Had been born in Marsden. In 1867 he and his brother were employed in building Dowry Castle for a brewer named Gartside.."
Isn't that referring to it?
over to the left on screen at your link, there are rectilinear depressions and shaped and dressed stone all over the place. Some of it very well done by those old masons. Isn't this the old Dowry Castle then? that stonework and gorgeous dry-stoning there (you should see it) is way too classy for cattle... so much has been scavenged away it's sad
Now regards those depressions you found on Flash Earth (lovely resource to compare with Google Earth's) could they be cattle/sheep wind shelters maybe? It really is biting up there at times. They are curious looking.
Found similar nearby towards Newhey:
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.600608&lon=-2.070476&z=18.5&r=3&src=aska
The grey circular rock patches I refer to in my Google snapshots aren't as obvious on the Flash Earth data. So I may oil the camera and scurry up for a look (ill dog precluded it so far).
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There are the remains of a pub/hostelry, I hadn't realised it had been call Dowry Castle. I think it must have been named after the hillock/mound across the road/valley I was referring to at SD 990113 which I think is more usually called 'dowry castle' (where treasure had been thought to be buried).
The writer Ammon Wrigley deduced it was a natural feature but he did find a few flints there.
The depressions i saw on flash earth don't appear visable on the ground - but I may not looked hard enough.
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 00:03
Thanks, hmm yes I drive past that mound twice a day, every day. Always thought it was man-made I must say, looks too pointed, unweathered, to be natural.
Those forms have peaked my interest though, some more further down that would seem to rule-out being stock wind sheltering. Wonder if these things have been overlooked?
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 00:16
In fact the more I look around this is one of the most curious areas I have found on aerial views.
Can anyone see this large half-circle track pattern I have stuck the crosshairs on (best viewed with the Google Maps option). Near the visual centre there are also more depressions again
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.603446&lon=-2.028961&z=17.9&r=0&src=ggl
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 00:39
[sorry for machine-gunning posts here]
Laughing -those forms you linked, at my link below I have bulls-eyed the centre of a large circle right around these forms. If you rotate the view around this point slowly using the navigation gadgets I swear there is a glaring remnant of some circle 
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.601759&lon=-2.021182&z=17.1&r=299&src=ggl
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 01:56
CCwrote..............
I swear there is a glaring remnant of some circle
I see what you mean.
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 09:47
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On 2008-05-02 00:39, clicketyclik wrote:
[sorry for machine-gunning posts here]
Laughing -those forms you linked, at my link below I have bulls-eyed the centre of a large circle right around these forms. If you rotate the view around this point slowly using the navigation gadgets I swear there is a glaring remnant of some circle
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.601759&lon=-2.021182&z=17.1&r=299&src=ggl
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I'm not quite sure where you mean, though I can see a bit of an arc perhaps made by a path or trail. That spot though is probably too steep and undulating and boggy for a large circle and if its a big I what I think you are seeing, it would have to stop at the hill side.
PS. What is interesting about this area though, is that it is located inside a square mile containing (perhaps) Britains highest concentration of mesolithic sites.
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 12:54
highest concentration? wow, that is fantastic. I have just been up to that area. I cannot see the forms from standing at the edge of the field, grass growing a bit too well, but the aerial maps have shown they are there - would these be likely to be known remnants in that case given the area's importance?
As a noob, I wonder (if they aren't mundane), would they be ancient graves or remnants of where folks had their homes back then? If it were a settlement, then the circle around them (which can be made out all they way round, not just a portion) makes sense.. but it is on a gentle slope as you say.
I remain interested. That circle is there, the forms are there, seems too much a coincidence for the majority of the pattern of forms to be comfortably nested within the circle. i'd love to find out if the archeo' authorities in the UK know of it.
btw I'm not think 'stone circle' rather the perimeter around some settlement
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 13:24
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On 2008-05-02 12:54, clicketyclik wrote:
highest concentration? wow, that is fantastic. I have just been up to that area. I cannot see the forms from standing at the edge of the field, grass growing a bit too well, but the aerial maps have shown they are there - would these be likely to be known remnants in that case given the area's importance?
As a noob, I wonder (if they aren't mundane), would they be ancient graves or remnants of where folks had their homes back then? If it were a settlement, then the circle around them (which can be made out all they way round, not just a portion) makes sense.. but it is on a gentle slope as you say.
I remain interested. That circle is there, the forms are there, seems too much a coincidence for the majority of the pattern of forms to be comfortably nested within the circle. i'd love to find out if the archeo' authorities in the UK know of it.
btw I'm not think 'stone circle' rather the perimeter around some settlement
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Anything from the mesolithic (pre- stone circles) will be buried under the peat and not really visible. I think there will probably be a mundane explanation for those forms in that field. A lot of work and digging relating to waterways, quarrying and of course farming has occured round there. I'm still not seeing this circle though.
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| Posted 02-05-2008 at 16:05
What do shooting butts look like from the air?
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