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|  Posted 11-01-2008 at 21:32
A Site Inspector for the Heritage Action group visited the Rollrights (Oxfordshire, England) on 29th December 2007. He reported that following the recent fire damage there, some follow-up damage and a further attack have occurred.
The King's Men standing stone which was previously burnt by the tire attack has been significantly chipped on the top. The King Stone notice, where previously cracked, has now been broken off completely. The warden's hut has again been attacked. Cavity Wall foam was sprayed into the collection box, and also into the locks. This subsequently solidified, breaking the locks and rendering the collection box unusable. An oil fire used by the wardens was lit and placed next to a wooden cabinet and a gas cylinder within the hut, with the obvious intention of causing an explosion.
These attacks apparently occured on the 9th December according to the warden on duty. The police are now willing up increase the charge from one of Arson, to Arson with Intent. However, they have no real leads. The only solution may be to install CCTV cameras at the site, which no one really wants to do.
This damage continues a sad tale of vandalism at the stones over the last few years: in 2005, yellow paint was spread over every stone in the circle. In 2006, the warden's hut was burnt to the ground in an arson attack. This was subsequently replaced by a Portacabin. In 2007, A tire was placed on a stone and burnt, the sign at the King Stone was attacked and the Portacabin was broken in to. Now stones have been chipped, the signage damaged further, and the portacabin damaged once again in another arson attack.
Source: Heritage Action (4 January 200
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chimera
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| Posted 12-01-2008 at 02:16
"Moles seem to be quite aggressive in establishing territories and sometimes fight to death over possession of burrows."
In the Bronze Age they were bigger, and big rocks were needed to plug their caverns. Violence by them gave the term "to molest" from Latin molestus "troublesome". However, the massive stone structure known as a "mole" and used in defence against the furry hordes, is from Latin moles "mass". Medieval churches were used for refuge from mole crime.
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| Posted 12-01-2008 at 21:47
when I visited the King Stone on the 10th November 2007 the sign had its corner missing then.
King Stone. 10 November. Sign Broken. Photo on Megalithic Portal
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|  Posted 19-01-2008 at 08:19
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncton_Wood
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| Posted 19-01-2008 at 20:01
Were 30 pieces of silver found in the donation box?
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 10:53
Since people seem to have been so interested in moles I've done a spot of digging... I spoke to Karin Attwood who was de facto site manager at Rollright before I became involved. She is a board member of the Rollright Trust at present. As a result of talking to her I now know that the Rollright Trust did not hire anyone to kill any moles and has never had a policy of doing so. This is what Karin emailed me recently.
"The contract and payment for the mole treatment was awarded by EH. Therefore I have no idea how much was paid for the futile efforts to cut down on mole numbers. EH did not renew the contract and the Rollright Trust had, and continue to have no interest in doing so either. This was not Rollright Trust policy and the Trust did not hire the contractor. The moles are still there in abundance. The reinforced groundwork repairs (at some considerable expense) to the main walk areas seems to have deterred the moles from digging up the pathways, leading to safe level areas for visitors with physical or visual impairments, who continue to experience difficulty navigating the areas that have the moles are still active."
Don't blame the Rollright Trust for something it did not do. It did not and does not kill moles.
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 11:40
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On 2008-01-23 10:53, Andy_Norfolk wrote:
Don't blame the Rollright Trust for something it did not do. It did not and does not kill moles.
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Soz mate, it did.
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 12:12
No Paul, the Rollright Trust didn't. No matter how many times you try and claim otherwise, it really was English Heritage who decided mole control was required and then set about hiring contractors to carry it out.
The Rollright Stones are a guardianship monument, in fact one of the very first monuments to get official state protection. EH have considerable obligations and powers over guardianship monuments. As I've said elsewhere EH did not always tell the Rollright Trust what it was going to do at the sites before it just went ahead and did it. Things have improved since.
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 12:32
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On 2008-01-23 12:12, Andy_Norfolk wrote:
No Paul, the Rollright Trust didn't. No matter how many times you try and claim otherwise, it really was English Heritage who decided mole control was required and then set about hiring contractors to carry it out.
The Rollright Stones are a guardianship monument, in fact one of the very first monuments to get official state protection. EH have considerable obligations and powers over guardianship monuments. As I've said elsewhere EH did not always tell the Rollright Trust what it was going to do at the sites before it just went ahead and did it. Things have improved since.
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Oh Druid and bard thou doth prostestoth to much!!
Naughty naughty!
And of course Karin would never lie.......would she?
Why have you only just got this info?
After all you have no vested interest in proving the mole murders to the contrary do you?
Get a grip Andy
stop playing the politician
either you know or you don't ! if ya don't shut up and let someone speak who does! How about Karin?
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MM
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 13:10
I have bothered to find out what happened. No doubt anyone else who really wanted to know could have done the same.
Like I said before if anyone wants to know anything about the Rollright Trust, and what it does, then ask it. Just to make it extra easy here's the email address - trust@rollrightstones.co.uk
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 13:14
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On 2008-01-23 13:10, Andy_Norfolk wrote:
I have bothered to find out what happened. No doubt anyone else who really wanted to know could have done the same.
Like I said before if anyone wants to know anything about the Rollright Trust, and what it does, then ask it. Just to make it extra easy here's the email address - trust@rollrightstones.co.uk
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And again!
Ever the politician!
I am sure if any one wants to know the truth behind the Iraq/Iran or Afghan conflict they could go to the Pentagons website, after all they are bound to tell the truth!
Hows about emailing Bush jnr?
Get a grip, wriggling like a worm on a hook!
MM
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 13:16
No more troll food!
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 13:25
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On 2008-01-23 13:16, Andy_Norfolk wrote:
No more troll food!
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WWWWWoooooooooohh Andrew,
I thought a bard would have at the very least answered me in prose and pointed out the error of my ways through a story!
Are you in fact reacting emotively?
Not the finest argument I have encountered, nor the wittiest.
As a Druid do you believe in trolls? Just wondered as it would have been no more suprising than the fairy tales you seem to believe in as regards our furry brothers at the circle.
Regards as always
MM
[ This message was edited by: MuddyMick on 2008-01-23 13:26 ]
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 17:42
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On 2008-01-23 13:10, Andy_Norfolk wrote:
I have bothered to find out what happened. No doubt anyone else who really wanted to know could have done the same.
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Hmmm... I cannot recall you emailing me privately to enquire about my version of events regarding this; nor have you contacted Tom either. And considering we were witness to the events, I think that'd be a primer, surely? Or is your idea of assessing and accumulating evidence to forge a case for/against something to completely ignore two of the prime witnesses? Is this how pagans define legal cases? (rhetorical question Andy - I've got a few decent rational pagan mates who know what's what!) A brand new method it seems: ignore what some folk say and take on board, completely, what those denying it are telling, without any sense of impartiality. If you took this attitude to any British court you'd be laughed out of it - and you know it! (hmmmm...mebbe you don't...)
But, since you've brought this issue up again, I'll contact Tom, his dad and a couple of the other folks there at the time. And we can discuss it all, if you like, openly, as adults - not behind closed Rollright Trust doors working out what the next best retort is gonna be to minimise the damage.
Or would you rather just leave it...?
All the best - Paulus
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| Posted 23-01-2008 at 17:56
Hi Mick!
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On 2008-01-23 13:14, MuddyMick wrote:
I am sure if any one wants to know the truth behind the Iraq/Iran or Afghan conflict they could go to the Pentagons website, after all they are bound to tell the truth!
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My God you're right!!! I went on the anti-war Iraq march in London before those Yanks invaded the country, but I was deluded!!! I've checked the Whitehouse statements about why they invaded Iraq and it had NOTHING to do with oil or greed. It was honestly all about a very nasty man who was killing people. It was awful. He actually DID have chemical weapons, but he destroyed them ALL just before we rightfully invaded their dreadful country. It was actually the best thing that happened to the Iraqi people. Honest! It sez so on the Whitehouse websites.
Wowwww.....God bless George Bush - such a lovely man (have a look at the websites, they're wouldn't lie, surely?)
Yours, convertedly - Paulus
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| Posted 24-01-2008 at 05:54
The main issue of course is that moles are fighting:
"The mole-whacking continues with the current surge in Iraq. According to the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Army Gen. David Petraeus, security has improved in Baghdad and the al-Anbar province, but attacks have gone up sharply elsewhere. The good news is that sectarian murders in Baghdad have fallen from 1,200 in Baghdad in January to less than 400 in March. The bad news is that suicide bombings have increased 30 percent in the six weeks ending in early April. On April 18, more than 150 people were killed by multiple bomb attacks in Baghdad – the deadliest being an attack that killed 118 people near Sadriya market (ironically, a shopping area closed to traffic and fortified with blast walls after a truck bomb killed 135 people at the market in February, in the single deadliest explosion since the war began in 2003) – and across Iraq the day's death toll was nearly 230 people.
In the arcade game, the object is to score as many points as possible based on how many moles a player is able to hit with the mallet. The current score in Iraq is 3,335 U.S. soldiers killed and 24,764 wounded. There are no official numbers for Iraqi civilian casualties, but according to IraqBodyCount.org, somewhere between 62,000 and 68,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed as a result of the war (others, such as The Lancet study, put the number in the hundreds of thousands). And the cost of playing Whac-a-Mole in Iraq is fast approaching $400 billion.
But since Iraq is not and never was a national security threat – conventional or otherwise – to the United States, Whac-a-Mole is not a game worth playing. "
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| Posted 24-01-2008 at 10:10
I think Andrews making a molehill out of a mountain and our furry brothers should be free from molestation!
How long will the denials continue from these molesters?
Yours in amazingly bad jokes
MM
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| Posted 24-01-2008 at 10:41
Logically, a dense population of moles on a flat field will raise many hills. In time these will merge as the tunnels below increase, raising the ground-level. As the process repeats, the hills gradually form a mountain, creating the landscape for a megalith ring. Defend your moles!
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| Posted 24-01-2008 at 11:18
Join the underground!
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| Posted 24-01-2008 at 21:19
Remind me never to post any-thing about Rollright again. It gives me a headache.
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