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|  Posted 10-12-2007 at 07:39
Did Indoeuropean language carry concepts with it?
At 1500-500 BCE, Iranian Brahmins developed the concept of mount Meru the Noth Pole-Pole Star world axis, similar to Norse world-tree. Meru is perceived as being in the Pamirs of N Afghanistan, and is seen as Mount Kailasa in Tibet for Hindu-Buddhist pilgrims.. (THE Megalith?).Meru is built as Angkor Wat, Cambodia. Norse Maere was a royal temple possibly in the form of 11th cent. stave churches with steeple, and snake heads on the gables. Saxon Maere "great.sacred" near Glastonbury has a 7th.cent.church with stone dragons. Are Gothic-Norse cathedrals a form of Meru as the steeple on a stone tower?
"Meru" recalls Egypt's name of Ta Mera "land. beautiful ", mery "blessed", and m.r "pyramid" with gold veneer, as in Meru golden mountain. Babylon's tower is linked to snakes ( as are Meru, m.r pyramids and Norse tower-steeples), and was the symbol of Babylon's King of the 4 quarters.
"Newgrange" and "Maeshowe" mounds have 4 free
pillars in the corners. Were those the basis of the Brahmins' Meru, central to the 4 rivers of the 4 lands of Eurasia?
(this stuff can be translated into English if you wish..)
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| Posted 10-12-2007 at 09:59
That's a lot of speculation which, while interesting, it would be impossible to prove. Only those very closely involved in research in each one of those areas would be in position to watch for any details that might in some way corroborate such theories. And often the facts that seem to corroborate in one person's eyes seem unrelated in another's.
Still, no harm in playing. 
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| Posted 10-12-2007 at 13:33
Still, no harm in playing
... and somewhere amongst our guesses there would be some truths probably.
How far back do some of our words go? To megalithic times probably so why not earlier still? Ditto therefore maybe place names, folklore, dragons, angels, creation myths....?
Are we all telling the same stories, all coming from the same root, but twisted by a process of Chinese whispers?
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| Posted 10-12-2007 at 14:12
"Newgrange" and "Maeshowe" mounds have 4 free
pillars in the corners.
Whereabouts are these columns situated please, I can't see any on the floorplans for Newgrange, although there are freestanding modern concrete support columns marked. Newgrange doesn't have 'corners' to its layout.
http://www.knowth.com/newgrange-plans.htm
and here's a wide angle photo of the interior of Maeshowe which shows the 'pillars' to which you refer but you can clearly see they are incorporated into the structure. It certainly looks as though they may have been there first, but no-one knows for sure. Maeshowe is much more geometrically laid out inside than Newgrange.
http://www.hogmanay.net/pix/photos/maeshowe_int.jpg
I've been inside both, hence my questions, as your descriptions conflict with what I saw.
As far as I know the only passage mound with a freestanding pillar is Cairn L at Loughcrew in Ireland.
Rune
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| Posted 10-12-2007 at 15:27
Chimera,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZO4qDaQQI8
Think of fourwinds, think fertility, especially the water.
Kevin
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| Posted 11-12-2007 at 07:09
Hi Rune,
I can only go by photos, so thanks for the floor-plan. Newgrange is not geometric, but where corners should be if the chamber was squared , are pillars which take the eye. They appear not to be load-bearing, but have loose rocks on top, in contrast to the slab structure. This appears also to be the case at Maes Howe. Corners are a structural strong-point, so pillars are not needed there for strengthening, whereas the middle of a wall is less strong, and yet that is where the side-chambers are, and that wall is sufficiently strong.
Newgrange side-chambers have pillars which by the plan, nearly fill the space. Logically their presence is not structural but expressive of ..something. Angkor Wat, pyramids and Babylon's tower are fixated on 4 cardinal directions , like Etruscan "cardo" priests who made the cross gesture to mark the cardinal alignment of a new temple. The Celts had the term "coircathurchuir" to mean the proper 4-sided arrangement, as at Gournay-sur-Aronde temple 4th cent BCE. It is seen at Newgrange and Maeshowe cross-shape chamber, and in Tara as central kingdom amid 4 kingdoms. (OK the geometry is out of whack, but the idea is there and Celtic design is lop-sided. They avoided obvious symmetry).
There evidently was contact between Brahmins and Egyptians, as Hurrians of the Caucasus had Vedic gods at 1400BCE and moved south to Syria. They promoted Brahmi script, used at Angkor Wat from 1st cent. If people sailed to Ireland to build Newgrange, then Maeshowe and the Mediterranean had sea contact. People walked from Europe to the Crusades and back again, so although sex was invented last century , tourism is much older.
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| Posted 11-12-2007 at 07:22
Kevin,
Yes indeed! Meru is amid 7 ring-oceans, built as the lake around Angkor and the water channel around Thailand's Brahmin palace. Babylon had water around the tower site, and 5 boats (i believe) were buried next to Cheops. The kings of Babylon and Angkor climbed the tower for symbolic marriage, the Angkor stud mated with a snake-woman, as did the ancestor of Scythians and Celts in Greek writings. Those snakes of "Danu" rivers - DNiester, DNieper and DANUbe, relate to Danaan of the Boyne and Oengus god of love, of Newgrange.
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| Posted 15-12-2007 at 19:30
The cross was generally a sacred sign, and Newgrange layout-design is an extended cross in a circle. These shapes are the hieroglyph for "beauty" (noun) in Egypt which called itself Ta Mera "beautiful" (adjective) land. My pc won't do the image, which is at
Lookup Egyptian hieroglyphsThis is an English-Egyptian dictionary. The English word(s), transliteration, and hieroglyph code are included for each entry. Items not shaded grey can be ...
hieroglyphs.net/000501/html/000-016.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
select B, then enter: beauty. There are 3 cross-on-circle signs.
This suggests the Celtic Cross, and UK regalia Orb.
As Maeshowe was altered last century to a flatter shape, then it was originally built more peaked.. pyramid? Probably Newgrange has eroded from a peaked shape. It had white quartz facing, as Cheops later had white limestone. Both relate to the sun-god. Did that give authority for governing, from the sun?
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