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mikecroley
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|  Posted 12-11-2007 at 18:56
I for one have had enough of the male dominated war mad times.
Behind every great man there is a great woman. You know what they get like every month Kev. We're no match for the female negative me ol' mate.
Let's just stick with positive!
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Chyknel2
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 19:04
Kevin,
I for one have had enough of the male dominated war mad times.
I hope we are entering into a femine time of peacefull and caring times.
You seem to be implying there was once a golden age of peace, thanks to women being in charge. When was that then?
Mike and Aluta, suspending disbelief is mighty akin to accepting a belief I reckon.
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mikecroley
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 19:10
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On 2007-11-12 19:04, Chyknel2 wrote:
Kevin,
I for one have had enough of the male dominated war mad times.
I hope we are entering into a femine time of peacefull and caring times.
You seem to be implying there was once a golden age of peace, thanks to women being in charge. When was that then?
Mike and Aluta, suspending disbelief is mighty akin to accepting a belief I reckon.
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Can't you do both at the same time chykers, be indifferent? That'show I try and approach most things in life innitially.
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Chyknel2
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 19:36
Yeah, I can be neutral - or "open minded" as you might be thinking.
But that won't lead anywhere on its own as I'll be equally convinced and unconvinced. Evidence is the real decider. And actually, despite my being larruped here for always wanting evidence, evidence is what convinced YOU, isn't it? If you hadn't gone to Cornwall in 1999 or seen that shapeshifter you'd probably not have your views....
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 20:34
Backtracking a few posts, sorry, I'm keeping up as best I can... I've just been sent info about this group, Fountain International.
"Fountain Groups are so called because of the first one, which was formed in Brighton (UK) in 1981 using a beautiful fountain as its focal point or Hara.The fountain, in the Old Steine, is well known and positioned on a main 'ley line', on what may be called the spinal column of the town. It also marks the centre of an old stone circle commemorated in the name 'Old Steine'. The ancient megaliths of which are in the base of the fountain."
http://www.fountain-international.org/whatis.htm
Interesting stuff from a wide variety of standpoints, they seem to think it's working.
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 20:54
Runemage,
You are a fountain of wonderment.
These people are bang on, I know Churchills birth place very well.
The line patterns are ever more apparent to me, but the femine flows along them, are akin to you, lovely lady.
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Runemage
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 22:18
Thank-you Kevin, your words are most kind.
I've been reading the story of the origins of Fountain on that site, it's fascinating.
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Aluta
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 22:26
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On 2007-11-12 19:04, Chyknel2 wrote:
Mike and Aluta, suspending disbelief is mighty akin to accepting a belief I reckon.
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For me there's a huge difference between the two. But as I said, while suspending disbelief is a plus, it's not necessary. All that it takes is to try. The trying, not the belief, starts the process. Disbelief sometimes makes it easier to try different processes, because you're not afraid of some bizarre evil thing happening, the way some believers are.
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| Posted 12-11-2007 at 22:49
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On 2007-11-12 19:36, Chyknel2 wrote:
Yeah, I can be neutral - or "open minded" as you might be thinking.
But that won't lead anywhere on its own as I'll be equally convinced and unconvinced. Evidence is the real decider. And actually, despite my being larruped here for always wanting evidence, evidence is what convinced YOU, isn't it? If you hadn't gone to Cornwall in 1999 or seen that shapeshifter you'd probably not have your views....
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Absolutely. 
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 00:55
Hi Rune -
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On 2007-11-12 20:34, Runemage wrote:
Backtracking a few posts, sorry, I'm keeping up as best I can... I've just been sent info about this group, Fountain International.....
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I'm not trying to put a dampener on what you think of these folk, but I recall when Fountain International first emerged on the scene and they caused a bit of a problem by actually uprooting and moving some ancient sites from their positions and sticking them where they reckoned their ley-lines happened to be (leys which no-one involved with The Ley Hunter ever found to be true). They enjoyed digging under sites aswell, sticking their healing crystals, rocks and other 'healing' figures inside sites. Paul Devereux and a few archaeo's had quite bad things to say about them. It'd be good to check whether they still do these things. If so - avoid them!
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 10:22
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Does it? I did try dowsing, for instance. And not in a spirit of doubting it. Quite the reverse, wanting it to work and to reveal something exciting, that's a normal human attitude I suppose. But it didn't. Maybe you've tried it yourself with similar results, I don't know.
So here I am, lacking any scientific experimental results suggesting it works - in fact confronted by the fact that the only well-run experiments that I know of failed to indicate it did work - and having failed to get it to work for myself. All I have is people saying it works for them, and you saying I should take some sort of step to open myself to the possibility that I'll come to see it does work.
So I'm stuck. Dowsing fits into my understanding of things on the basis that I know, at least, that the ideomotor effect is a real phenomenon and I don't have a mechanism for moving beyond that position. The only available means that are left to do that is evidence, but no-one is prepared or able to provide that. Instead, they say its all my fault as I need to be more open minded. As I've explained, don't think that's true.
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 12:03
Dowsing is not at all what I'm talking about. I don't think it has to do with what we're discussing. I have never tried it.
Everything works differently. We were discussing the holographic universe concept and whether it requires "faith" to work. In my experience, it requires skill that comes of repeated application.
It's a common misconception that things seen as 'spiritual' should work upon first try, requiring no experience or skill, but it is no truer with those things than it is with any other practical work. Skill comes of repeated failure and the determination to learn from each one. Take a sport as an example--if someone off the street would try to do what an athlete does, like hitting a baseball pitched at 100 miles per hour, or less particular to America, completing a high pole vault, he might quickly conclude that it's impossible. But it's not, at least for some.
As for the matters at hand, I am still very much a beginner but have seen enough to fascinate me and I am unlikely to give up, however long it takes.
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Runemage
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 13:54
I'm not trying to put a dampener on what you think of these folk, but I recall when Fountain International first emerged on the scene and they caused a bit of a problem by actually uprooting and moving some ancient sites from their positions and sticking them where they reckoned their ley-lines happened to be (leys which no-one involved with The Ley Hunter ever found to be true). They enjoyed digging under sites aswell, sticking their healing crystals, rocks and other 'healing' figures inside sites. Paul Devereux and a few archaeo's had quite bad things to say about them. It'd be good to check whether they still do these things. If so - avoid them!
Thanks for that Brigantia, I'll go and investigate. It would be such a shame if such good intentions were done with such desecration.
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 15:10
Until we know more about just exactly what the megaliths were dealing with, I would think the best thing is to leave alone, especially digging bigger holes into silbury hill.
You cannot knock people who genuinley consider they are helping, but one is legalised whilst the other is laughed at.
It would be better to establish how something ticks , before tampering and possibly blowing everyone up.
There is a matrix, therefore if these people can do what they declare, they can find ample fresh spots to place new manipulation devices, no need to go near ancient sites, YET.
If we puzzle them out, then they may need modernising.
We could all find fresh employment as megalithic site builders, new stones for old.
The megalithic builders will have kept improving.
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On 2007-11-13 15:10, cropredy wrote:
Until we know more about just exactly what the megaliths were dealing with, I would think the best thing is to leave alone, especially digging bigger holes into silbury hill.
You cannot knock people who genuinley consider they are helping, but one is legalised whilst the other is laughed at.
It would be better to establish how something ticks , before tampering and possibly blowing everyone up.
There is a matrix, therefore if these people can do what they declare, they can find ample fresh spots to place new manipulation devices, no need to go near ancient sites, YET.
If we puzzle them out, then they may need modernising.
We could all find fresh employment as megalithic site builders, new stones for old.
The megalithic builders will have kept improving.
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Cropredy there are late Neolithic/early Bronze Age sites all over the place, underneath housing estates, under roads, in ploughed fields, in fact more sites are destroyed through ploughing and other agricultural practices (generally considered vital in order for us to eat!) than any other agency. In fact sites of these perids have been destroyed throughout history by Iron Age farmers, Romano British farmers/town/village builders, medieval farmers/builders and post-medieval farmers/builders. Many more sites remain to be discovered through archaeological evaluation or by chance finds. This idea you have that the absolutely tiny amount that are impacted by archaeologists will cause some great catastrophe is frankly silly. You really need to go and find out more about the reality of archaeology, try visiting yoir local Historic Environment Record (or have a look at one on-line). Perhaps if you bothered actualy researching archaeology your ideas might be considered rather than dismissed becuase of the lack of knowledge they portray.
As for you idea about modernising these structures, I really don't need to explain why that is just such a bad idea, do I?
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 17:02
Karloff, Modernising.
In the archaeology, I am certain there will be evidence of modernisation, a gradual alteration with stones moved and new materials been employed.
Then a static period of thousands of years?
Though at certain time slots , sudden new constructions appear, on top of existing megalithic sites?
It is normally proposed that this was to fit in with existing beliefs and practises , as best as possible.
What if its nothing of the sort, but that the precise spot is what matters?
And that a superior system is been employed to manipulate what is to be found at the precise spot.
If you then fast forward to now, you typically find stones weathered and half destroyed by the elements , like bad teeth, relics of a system, that nobody KNOWS what they were for, we especially upon such sites as this treasure them, but we still haven't a clue WHY.
They therefore are easy meat to be destroyed, bulldozed , tarmaced over , tunneled under.
Would it not better serve them to try and evaluate their reason for been?
I accept fully my limited background of knowledge of the archaeolology of the sites, I trust to those that do know.
I do not need to fully comprehend , I can follow what the experts in that field report.
If it is shown that there is a huge benificial outcome from the manipulation of the available invisable energies concentrated at the positions of the megaliths, and all of humanity could benifit and prosper, would you not modernise them, with a preservation of the existing always paramount and taken into consideration?
What if the archaeologists in their combined ignorance of such a reason for construction are not actually destroying the evidence to work out the construction design reasons.
Should they not attempt to consider that they may not know what they are looking at?
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 17:05
It would be better to establish how something ticks , before tampering and possibly blowing everyone up.
You've gotta be having a laugh haven't you, suggesting there's a danger of a big explosion of alleged "energies"!
How many times has the ploughing out of 95% of UK barrows, for instance, caused an explosion?
Like you say, these supposed energies are beyond our visible world, why tell us they could suddenly jump out at us?
You're quite right about not tampering but there are perfectly rational reasons for not doing so. Don't tell people if they do then dark forces will appear. Its very Middle Ages.
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On 2007-11-13 17:02, cropredy wrote:
What if its nothing of the sort, but that the precise spot is what matters?
And that a superior system is been employed to manipulate what is to be found at the precise spot.
Would it not better serve them to try and evaluate their reason for been?
If it is shown that there is a huge benificial outcome from the manipulation of the available invisable energies concentrated at the positions of the megaliths, and all of humanity could benifit and prosper, would you not modernise them, with a preservation of the existing always paramount and taken into consideration?
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Thats why it is important that people like you who talk about energies, endeaver to give the rest of us a shred of proof that such energies exist and then we can get on with making the most of these sites and using these mini power stations.
As it is these sites in many ways appear quite crude in their design and geometry and align with apparently little.
What I don't understand is this... if you and other dowsers are so sure of these 'energy' hot spots and are really keen to help mankind, why are you unwilling to provide any evidence or is this not possible?
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| Posted 13-11-2007 at 18:12
Chyknel2,
You have to be able to comprehend just exactly what could create a hologhraphic reality, then consider what an alteration to that system may do.
You cannot know if the resultant hologram is been altered by the destruction of present sites, the alteration may be slight and hardly noticable to your dominant senses.
The one spot where this may be been seen at the moment is silbury hill.
They have altered the structure and consequently have altered the hologram very noticably.
I can detect the difference in the substance that I consider maintains what we percieve.
This alteration is altering what we percieve of as gravity, the result is that the resultant hologram is actually moving locally within the hill.
I have no way of predicting what the alteration may eventually lead to, as I am like the rest of us totally in the dark as far as knowledge of this manipulation is concerned.
It may be benificial to remove it all together, as with Stone henge, we may benefit ?
Its speculation we are discussing?
I consider the latest dig into silbury clearly shows how little we know at all, they should have done nothing but filled it with chalk, not blindly opened it ever more.
If they had cleared the existing rubbish out, then packed solid as they retreated , they could have used hydraulics to support locally as they removed the defunct steelwork , and stabilised back, then lifted out the centre core rubbish and packed in from the top of the centre hole.
instead they have further tunneled down to the earth, exposing an even greater earthing potential than they are aware of, in other words they are blind to the consequences of their actions.
As this is almost an unknown, they are not acting willfully to destroy the hill, so are actually doing what they consider to be best, I would speculate and debate that their actions typify the opposite.
Without discussing and debating the alternative , without having to supply proof, or satisfy that idiotic occams thing, then we may as well shut up and stop wasting our time.
This part of the forum was supposed to allow the alternative a space to discuss, not to be subject to the prove it occams continuously.
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Kevin.........You sure know how to get a debate going.
I assume that the archaeologists working inside Silbury Hill have scraped away at places, and examined areas and items, which are outside the remit of simply dragging all the foreign crap out of the hill and re-packing it with pure chalk.
If I had to be honest I'd have to say that it's been too good an opportunity to miss, and I wouldn't blame them. Just as long as they haven't messed things up.
I must admit that this debate about holograms goes right over my head, I haven't got a clue what your all on about. But I am well into a HOLISTIC approach to archaeology, as I think we all are.
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