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On 2007-10-07 14:49, mishkin wrote:
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On 2007-10-07 08:49, Chyknel2 wrote:
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Our western culture has a lot to answer for in the havoc we wreak in other parts of the world - colonialism and imperialism should be past history but sadly they are not....
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Hi mish,
How about linguistic imperialism? extending a countries/empires power and influence by establishing colonies (spheres of influence) by military (or pervasive propaganda)
Are words demonised?
Are symbols?
By whom?
By the propaganda machine and the high priests of consumerism.....ad men?
To what end?
Would that be to keep us buying/dancing to there agenda/tune?
would this be part of a right wing system of goverment characterized by strict obedience to a leader or state?
Intolerant views or practices?
Would this be Fascism?
Intellectual colonialism is both insidious, tenebrous and widespread.....watch out!
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MM
P.s and unfortunatley havoc is being wreaked right here and now on other views (other than mainstream) other cultures and other paradigms by your eurocentric fascist statements and imposition of belief structures!
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 09:47
your eurocentric fascist statements
Anyone that knows Mishkin and indeed anyone here that has read Mishkin's postings will know what a ludicrous charge that is. I hope no-one takes the bait.
As for your attempt to equate my posting with your own deliberately unpleasant behaviour I'm content to be judged by anyone else, particularly Mike, Andy and Aluta who will no doubt pull me up if I've said anything they judge is wrong. But so far as I'm concerned you have long since forfeited any right to be responded to.
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 10:31
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On 2007-10-08 09:47, Chyknel2 wrote:
your eurocentric fascist statements
Anyone that knows Mishkin and indeed anyone here that has read Mishkin's postings will know what a ludicrous charge that is. I hope no-one takes the bait.
As for your attempt to equate my posting with your own deliberately unpleasant behaviour I'm content to be judged by anyone else, particularly Mike, Andy and Aluta who will no doubt pull me up if I've said anything they judge is wrong. But so far as I'm concerned you have long since forfeited any right to be responded to.
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Hi chickpea,
Please oh please calm down, I really do regret anything I may have posted that has upset you so.
The above statement regarding "eurocentric fascist statements" was meant to apply to a number of posts on this thread not Mish in particular, I apologise most profusely for any confusion I may have caused by my ill considered posting.
As for my attempt to equate my behaviour (I presume you mean my posting to raggy) I do not recall even mentioning this but if you would illuminate me regarding this I will be most thankfull.
As for use of the term 'Aspergic' I believe it relates to 'Aspergers syndrome' a mild form of autism named after the Austrian psychiatrist Hans Asperger. As this is a disabillities friendly site I would have thought a sincere and compassionate individual such as you would be only to pleased to have your possibly hurtfull (although I doubt intentional) and divisive comment contextualised thereby alllaying the possibility of future use and it's resultant exclusion of those with (or dealing with ) said disabillities.
As I am sure you had no intention of misusing a psychiatric label and applying it to a fellow poster I look forward to further discourse and debate.
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Mm
P.S I am so glad you exercised your right not to respond to me thereby reinforcing my forfieture of any right to a reply!
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 11:31
Hi All,
I really hope that none of you will judge chickpea to harshly for his faux pas. As I have posted on this site for a while now and I am therefore pretty conversant with chickpeas style and content when posting, I am sure he would not knowingly hurt or abuse any individual.
I know that chickpea would never attack or collude with an attack on another poster who had made such a faux pas and would in fact be the voice of reason logic and fairplay.
I therefore put it to you my fellow posters that "Judge not lest you be judged" should be the kept in mind when responding to this inadvertantly insulting post.
We all make mistakes!
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MM
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 13:15
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On 2007-10-08 11:00, Chyknel2 wrote:
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Well done old bean!
Elegantly reinforcing my forfeiture of right to reply, replying by not replying.I really have met my match!
As always with respect and in awe
MM
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 13:44
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On 2007-10-08 10:31, MuddyMick wrote:
As for use of the term 'Aspergic' I believe it relates to 'Aspergers syndrome' a mild form of autism named after the Austrian psychiatrist Hans Asperger. As this is a disabillities friendly site I would have thought a sincere and compassionate individual such as you would be only to pleased to have your possibly hurtfull (although I doubt intentional) and divisive comment contextualised thereby alllaying the possibility of future use and it's resultant exclusion of those with (or dealing with ) said disabillities. |
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The dood meant it as an insult. Simple as. He obviously doesn't give a damn about people with Aspergers.
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You're having a laugh! ChykPea can use whatever digs and jibes when it suits him, but when he gets stuff throw back, starts crying. His thinking system is typically fascist-like, but adopts the usual avoidances, typifying such characters, e.g., changing the subject, disengaging from non-emotive or logical exchanges, or the "I refuse to talk to you about it" policy, typifying such mindsets.
But the plus side is, he keeps the swastika thread going - and it's still still top of the pile.
On the archaeological side of this symbol: apart from the dubious Swastika Stone copy found in Australia a short while back, does anyone know of early images/examples of actual swastika-forms at archaeological sites in Australia or New Zealand? These two huge countries seem almost the odd ones out regarding this symbol - which can't be true, surely?
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 14:26
Hi Brigantia,
Hows it going?
I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt!
As we all know trying for witch hunts does everyone a disservice and we end up with playground dynamics of bullying, and yes I know there are those that continually use that and other equally reprehensible modes of operation in here but I refuse to have this forum brought down to it's lowest common denominator (like the T.M.A)
Therefore I neither call for bans nor witch hunts just logical intelligent debate.
Taking the moral highground sure feels good 
(just jesting honest)
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MM
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 15:10
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| I've always been that way chykers, cold emotionally. Must be the Serpent in me. That doesn't make me a bad guy does it?
Well if its due to being aspergic or unable to empathise with others its not a good starting point for being a good guy is it?
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I don't see this as the same as calling someone a name. He says "if" and allows for other possibilities. As one who has Asperger's Syndrome in the family and who may be somewhat "aspergic" myself, judging from my childhood, I don't find this offensive. The syndrome seems to drive some people to tremendous accomplishment; it is not always a bad thing. Some people take pride in it. I do question the implication that being aspergic is not "a good starting point for being a good guy".
One could easily get into speculating about abnormalities that may afflict certain people on here, but let's not do it publicly
As Dr. Oliver Sachs implies, many conditions once thought to be diseases may just be different ways of being a person and having a human experience. Variation is what has made our species so resilient.
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 15:26
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On 2007-10-08 15:10, Aluta wrote:
[quote]I've always been that way chykers, cold emotionally. Must be the Serpent in me. That doesn't make me a bad guy does it?
Well if its due to being aspergic or unable to empathise with others its not a good starting point for being a good guy is it?
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I don't see this as the same as calling someone a name. He says "if" and allows for other possibilities. As one who has Asperger's Syndrome in the family and who may be somewhat "aspergic" myself, judging from my childhood, I don't find this offensive. The syndrome seems to drive some people to tremendous accomplishment; it is not always a bad thing. Some people take pride in it. I do question the implication that being aspergic is not "a good starting point for being a good guy".
One could easily get into speculating about abnormalities that may afflict certain people on here, but let's not do it publicly
As Dr. Oliver Sachs implies, many conditions once thought to be diseases may just be different ways of being a person and having a human experience. Variation is what has made our species so resilient.
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Well thank you very much Aluta,
Its always usefull to have the methodology and logic behind what is seen as offensive in particular arenas.
Although I remember a similar psychiatric term for 'different ways of being' being banned....do you? Was the 'if' the qualifying factor?
And much could be deduced from people with these........being driven to tremendous acheivements or in spite of?
Helen keller
Douglas Barder
etc etc If we qualify with an 'if' their particular disability label being used would it be o.k?
As for the "As one who has Aspergers in the family" If I was black would that then qualify me as a spokesperson on race or gay on sexuality issues etc etc
Although there are blatant holes in the logic I will concur in posting (if not in intellectual exploration)
But we know have it in black and white, the guidelines are clear.
Many thanks
Regards MM
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 15:49
Hi chickpea,
Interesting how you have neither replied sensibly nor aplogised at any point during your many posts and the many times you have been proven wrong or offensive although you have refused to speak/post regarding such or willfully misconstrued or miscontextualised.
If this is due to you having narcisisstic personality disorder it is not a good starting point for debate and discussion is it?
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MM
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 15:53
LOL, MM. You are an obnoxious wag. That's not a diagnosis.
Of course I was stating my personal opinions, not an absolute, as I'm sure you know. I guess I was asking for it, following this thread so far off topic. Perhaps we've exhausted the swastika theme and someone should think up a new thread for all of us to go off-topic on?
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 15:58
HI Aluta,
I really really tried not to but ........I just could not resist it!
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MM
P.s lets get back to swastikas.
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 16:47
Hi Aluta -
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On 2007-10-08 15:10, Aluta wrote:
...As one who has Asperger's Syndrome in the family and who may be somewhat "aspergic" myself, judging from my childhood, I don't find this offensive. The syndrome seems to drive some people to tremendous accomplishment; it is not always a bad thing. Some people take pride in it. I do question the implication that being aspergic is not "a good starting point for being a good guy". |
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I know just what you mean here. I've had epilepsy for 25 years, controlled by daily phenytoin intake, but am one of the many (thankfully) who don't mind being called (variously) a 'spaz', 'spazmo', etc (meaning 'to have spasms, violently or otherwise) as I prefer to make a laugh out of the disability. However, thru the years I've come across a number of others with epilepsy who've taken issue with my use of the word. But, being one of the people afflicted with it, I have the right to use the word and of course don't mind others ripping the piss.
...And I think this is the innate problem in what some of us are trying to say here, but in this case it's in relation to the swastika. Several jewish mates don't mind the image, but a few do (not surprisingly their social circles are smaller). I was out this weekend with my friend Asif (a Muslim) and we both talked with irreverence about his religion, and my long hair, and epilepsy, and god-know what else. Some folk, however, can't do such things: a disability in itself, surely?
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 17:13
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On 2007-10-08 08:42, MuddyMick wrote:
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On 2007-10-06 20:12, Chyknel2 wrote:
I've always been that way chykers, cold emotionally. Must be the Serpent in me. That doesn't make me a bad guy does it?
Well if its due to being aspergic or unable to empathise with others its not a good starting point for being a good guy is it?
I'm having a big gold Swastika emlazoned across my chest.
I thought you worked for HRH, indirectly? That won't be a smart career move. If he's going to be there when you display it I just might come to watch.
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Hi Chickpea,
Do you think that this is appropriate.......'ASPERGIC'...AS IN ASPERGERS SYNDROME?
ARE YOU CALLING MIKE AUTISTIC?
I really did expect better from you! or are am I confused or misquoting or miscontextualising?
Please inform me chickpea as I would hate to do you an injustice.
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MM
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I don't have a problem with it Mick, I've been called far worse.
What's your beef with chykers anyway? I'm getting tired of your constant jibes to be honest with you. Get back to the Swastika will you.
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 18:15
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On 2007-10-08 17:13, mikecroley wrote:
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What do you think it's about then Mike? Not sure that I've heard your opinion, other than a few links to other people's stuff - showing that, perhaps, you can't actually think for yourself. What do you reckon it's about? Why do we find it all over t' world? Honest questions.
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 18:38
What! And spoil the fun Pauly? You 'avin a laugh. You and Muddy talking about the swastika, what a joke. Cut to the chase boys, let's see just how little you two really know. I'm meeting your likes more and more these days and I'm going through them like wild fire.
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On 2007-10-08 18:38, mikecroley wrote:
What! And spoil the fun Pauly? You 'avin a laugh. You and Muddy talking about the swastika, what a joke. Cut to the chase boys, let's see just how little you two really know. I'm meeting your likes more and more these days and I'm going through them like wild fire. |
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Hmmmm....typical avoidance crap as usual. You obviously know bugger all. Simple as.
Cosmogenesis - purposive evolution - linear development: basic mythic attributes in the symbol. Gyrus (editor of the Towards 2012 journal) and me have our unpublished Swastika: A Mythic History still awaiting emergence. Thought someone who alleges a bitta know-how like you might wanna say summat worthwhile, but - as expected - are one of the sad occult bullshitters of my teenage years. You're no doubt still lost in the Masonic Hitler secret society ET mixed-up lucky-bag mentality: reckons so much but talks so little cos his head's up his own a....
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| Posted 08-10-2007 at 22:22
I think this thread's going nowhere. Next subject please...
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| Posted 09-10-2007 at 09:37
Andy B,
Must agree with you, unless it fully demonstrates that this symbol causes something to occur, here it has led to many hitting each other with their handbags.
Whatever and however you view this symbol, it does cause a reaction?
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