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ragnarok
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|  Posted 17-05-2007 at 21:09
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On 2007-05-17 18:46, PeterSmith wrote:
Hypothetically of course, if these do represent the location of coal deposits, one could imagine that the spirals could be adding information about the deposits. Maybe the spirals show how deep the deposit is, or how large the seam is.
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Excellent! And I thought that they marked the spot of a spring....or was it treasure!
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brigantia
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| Posted 18-05-2007 at 00:40
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On 2007-05-17 21:07, ragnarok wrote:
> Er? Perhaps you misunderstood me; I was talking about spirals as in rock art spirals as carved by prehistoric man some 3,000 to 5,000(?) years ago.
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Yep! - I was on about spirals in rock art, although they're pretty rare things in UK. Cup&ring art rarely has spirals in it, as I'm sure you know, and of nearly 1000 cup&rings in Yorkshire alone, less than 10 have spirals associated with them. On Baildon Moor (if memory serves me right) I don't think there's one of them! And the meaning of the spiral symbol differs from that of cup&rings - though there's obvious relativity when the two coincide. The meaning and nature of the spiral isn't difficult as it is linear in nature and form and easily accessible to the ego; whereas cup&rings as non-linear designs (along with no two of them being the same) lead to the perennial unanswered question of "what do they mean?" It's one of the holy grails of the up-and-coming rock-art archaeo's. And the simple answer there is that each carving has its own meaning - some singular, others multifunctional.
So anyway...sorry,
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So you think that these spirals meant to the carvers - creation, creativity & natures growth?
Surely that's just a newage meaning?
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NewAgers may well graft theior own particular meanings onto the spiral, but in traditional societies the symbol does represent those qualities. But its nature is easily missed by both NewAger and puritancial rationalist alike: for whilst one may use it as a tool for their own modern myths, the other sees it as symbolic of something quite meaningless to them. In its nature,the spiral has a "living meaning." And this isn't meant in any fictional sense. The spiral is representative of an organic reality, a living reality.
But I know if I say anymore you're gonna just jump in and throw it away as fictitious nonsense. Plus, it's damn late! More tomorrow perhaps...?
Nitey-nite!
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cropredy
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| Posted 18-05-2007 at 09:45
I find that by keeping the effects of precession in ones thoughts , that circuler and spiral forms can possibly be explained.
The very relevant question of time, and what exactly is the position of other celestial bodies relevant to where you are, will have been crucial to people living at the edge of existance.
We have moved away from the really fine understanding of nature and her ways.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession
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| Posted 19-05-2007 at 09:07
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On 2007-05-15 16:16, ragnarok wrote:
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Sorry mate don't get that at all. How would that work, from the point of view of creating spirals from the sun or moon? I've not noticed anything 'spirally' in the arc created by eithers 'movements' across our sky. I must be missing something here?
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I think Kevin is referring to the (18.6) lunar cycle but the much shorter annual solar cycle also describes a spiral ,
Charles Ross utilises it here ,http://avant-guardians.com/ross/index.html
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| Posted 19-05-2007 at 12:51
Could it be the Analemma? Not a spiral but a figure of eight.
http://www.answers.com/topic/analemma
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tiompan
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| Posted 19-05-2007 at 14:08
Your'e right Jimit , it is an analemma , although Ross calls it a spiral , the three month period is closer to a spiral than the annual.
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PeterSmith
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| Posted 14-07-2007 at 21:22
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On 2007-05-15 16:01, cropredy wrote:
Petersmith,
The result of observation, with an observetory.
A fixed rock with a fixed slot arranged over it, if you mark the observable position of sunlight and moonlight, you will achieve spirals, very handy for planting especially, as i consider things alter at the limits .
The sun dagger in Chaco canyon gives the best clue.
http://www.jqjacobs.net/southwest/chaco.html
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How about this for a spiral hill. It starts at Baildon Bank in the valley bottom, heads clockwise upwards through Shipley Glen round and up Windy Hill and so on up to the summit of Baildon Hill  I have only just noticed.
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/petersmith.mobile/LandscapeAerialPhotographs/photo#5087137358347176802
That is Baildon Hill showing Shipley Glen snaking from the foreground (the gorge) clockwise. The photo was taken from Bunkers Hill just now.
All Hail Ragnarok! Wise words in small posts
[Thanks, I spent two weeks in the pouring rain looking for treasure, and all I found was that when it floods the cups sprout water].
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PeterSmith
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| Posted 15-07-2007 at 00:36
This shows the effect better
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/petersmith.mobile/LandscapeAerialPhotographs/photo#5087140991889509266
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