On 2008-03-31 22:58, mikecroley wrote:
Before you go Vlad! I recently put up a stone circle of my own which I've marked on the piccy below. It's in a valley, the tumuli and barrow are on the high ground. What do you perceive from your geomancy skills?

On 2008-04-01 01:16, brigantia wrote:
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On 2008-03-31 22:58, mikecroley wrote:
Before you go Vlad! I recently put up a stone circle of my own which I've marked on the piccy below. It's in a valley, the tumuli and barrow are on the high ground. What do you perceive from your geomancy skills?

On 2008-04-01 07:27, vlad wrote:
Hi, Mike. Why not; I can draw some lines and send a copy to you. These are just contours, which convey basic meaning in my drawings and they cannot be supplanted with words on the Forum. Well; as I`m not there on place with my "bare hands",
I need a LINK. If it`s not a piece of a traditional lore, then perhaps you could - in a way of exception, describe some emotions or hopes you connect with this place. Maybe without verbs would be best!?

It is enough with a little bit to get an emotional mind (the tool of the far- scanning) - started. Here`s an example. Alanna Moore with her new husband are moving over from Australia to Co. Leitrim and were keen to know something about energies around Sheemore Hill. I had no original lore texts nor dindsenchas but found out from the net that the faery queen of Sheemore was fighting with the faery queen of Sheebeg and the latter won. It was enough for me to start looking for details in the "parallel" world. So I`m waiting for those few true place- emotions from you, Mike, to fuel my geomantic contemplation this evening. Put out your logic and group cliches, leave only emotions. It`s not so easy, or what!?

On 2008-04-01 18:07, vlad wrote:
I was testing your emotional side and now it`s done.

On 2008-03-31 16:43, vlad wrote:
As we know since Renaissance - "Man is Measure of Everything". From the point of view of a geomancer, the "staircase" of chakras inside you - is like your inner witness.
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MM
Hi Vlad I am rather loath to try and interpret glib comments glaringly without methodology nor context however I will try to disentangle your post (so bare with me)
The first comment 'man is the measure of everything' please explain as this could be quite easily interpreted as solipsisim?
as for the staircase of chackras.....well that would be a rather limited and linear interpretation of chakra (that seems more at home in the pick and mix new age ideology than the intended paradigms of Buddhist and Vedantic metaphysics)Putting that to one side I would be fascinated to hear how the chakras act as a staircase?
What exactly within your framework/ology etc is the inner witness?
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Why should I draw a human silhouette with chakras marked (=witness) and hang with a pendulum over it!? All this I`m throwing away for the sake of noting down whereto my inner FOCUS of AWARENESS went - with respect to main steps of this chakra staircase, - and eventually what stages through.
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MM
Wow this next bit is the real rub!
'Why should you draw a silhouette with chakras marked (=witness)' well why have you then? you have directly imposed a supposed chakra linear arrangement over the human form and stated it is the 'inner witness! why?
I have no idea what the pendulum bit is about! Pray tell?
You then go on to state you are throwing away your previous methodology and mythic system 'for the sake of noting down whereto your inner focus of awareness went' It seems suspiciously like gobbledy gook to me and is compounded by the fact that the previous methodology you claim to be 'throwing away' is then reinstated as the measure of the experience..'with respect to main steps of this chackra staircase- and eventually what stages through'
I am sorry vlad but this is absolute psycho-babble, twaddle of the first degree!
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IMO All terminology is secondary. Even a glove can bring warmth to a frozen feet, as Milarepa could have said, I bet. Focus of your awareness, if you are trained to follow it - is the direct indication of the quality of space around you.
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MM
All terminology is secondary, I will concur in so much as we are talking of the primary experience! but when we are relating this to others, terminology becomes a primary concern in relating the exact (as we can get) experience and not some misinterpretation or misunderstanding!
As for what Milarepa would or would not of said, It is extraneous to this post!
What do you mean by focus of awareness?
Is awareness focus?
Is focus awareness?
Can one exist with out the other?
Please explain?
'it is the direct indication of the quality of space around you' is it?
are you implying that space has a quality other than awareness?
Are you implying that space and awareness are therefore different?
In what way?
Please explain?
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We are as
if PRIMED with it, in all our thoughts, actions and while talking to others. I`m not presenting any theory - academical or inherited through a pure-lineage of spiritual masters. All I`m talking is practice in atoneness with Nature.
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MM
I honestly have not one jot of a clue what you are trying to say here!
What is at oneness with nature? especially in light of a linear staircase (chackras) that is your inner witness that when observed through focus of awarenss is then thrown out gives you the quality of space that is separate from its observer?
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Instead of taking care of our common Home - the Earth, you are pointing with your finger at some roaring nothingness as our
REAL PLACE TO LIVE in. (Tarthang Tulku!?)
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MM
Sorry Vlad they are wonderfull words but completely out of context in light of your overall posts!
You obviously have not one jot of an inkling what is being said.
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This is a mind-bias and ideology from times of a very poor life quality - in India, Tibet and China, sent unaltered down your chain of masters.
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MM
Please explain 'from a time of very poor life quality' are you really implying that the paradigms leading to removal of all points of reference are reliant upon the socio,economic,political or cultural mores of the time? and that this has influenced the science of observing reality?
Please explain?
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Besides; we`ve got our own stories about roaring Chaos as the Primaeval Home - from Egypt in its catastrophical Dark Ages, from presocratic philosophers of Greece and elsewhere; big deal.
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MM
i would respectfully suggest that the stories about primeval homes and roaring chaos from egypt or greece are very different fish from those fried by the non dual teachings of dzogchen, however I will be most happy to discuss!
Vlad you really would not be so flippant as "big deal" if you had one iota of an idea what you where refering to!
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Catastrophic cosmogony mistaken for a commended human life route!?
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MM
Eh?
Wher the hell did any of this refer to catastrophic cosmogony?
Please please explain if you can?
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There`s one beloved folk motive in the paintings of Middle Ages. "Taking out of the Stone of Stupidity". Under this pretended long-lasting process, someone other clears your pockets... or loots megaliths, woods and whole Earth away.
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This is beginning to enter the arena of the unwell!
You really will have to explain what the hell you are on about?
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You think it`s not your concern, because you`ll not come back here for your next reincarnation!?
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MM
Another glaring misconception of buddhist reincarnation!
What reincarnates if the self does not exist, except as an arising and cessation of codependent phenomena?
FOOL!
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I must dissapoint you. This ticket has been cancelled. Your modern masters are talking only about next birth in a heavenly environment ON EARTH, as a reward. And those environments are ever shrinking.
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MM
I am afraid it is YOU who must disappoint YOU!
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IT`S ALL ABOUT YOUR OWN ASS, MISTER!!
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MM
IT CERTAINLY IS WHEN YOU ARE CONVERSING THROUGH IT!
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Regards
MM

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On 2008-04-02 11:46, vlad wrote:
Hi, Mike. Sorry for my recent comments thrown in, when by-hurrying. First now I could sit down and think over your insights and feelings - see modified version above. Perhaps you could describe dowsing exercises conducted around this circle, if there were any!?

And MuddyMick. It`s very fine you are not taking me for a malevolent joker of Till Eulenspiegel or Loki - type. Well; I`m a M.Sc. Chem.Eng. and as for humanistic education - only a SELF- DIDACT, since youngest years. I´ve discovered the borders of human logic reasonings quite early. And I could not cope with notorious plagiarism of thoughts, which is the main rule of the Science.
Thus; I`ve started looking for this realm, where an individual`s (cultured) emotions are/were accepted as a true measure and a tool for exploring the world. And I`ve found it in original texts of ancient Greece. Out of there, I`ve begun to explore other traditions, primed with the Greek spirit, in my own way. - Take for instance those tournaments, where each and every one, without any academic legalisation, could present his own poetry - HYMNS to the gods. And it was perhaps natural, that for a one-year priest of Apollo, a most beautiful not most learned boy could have been chosen!?

Now, let`s look at your protocol. Aha; so you`ve mistaken my joyous rambling through many disparate fields for a scientific or a theological treatise!? Why not - in a way; but you`ve missed the point. And it was - my appeal to start using your EMOTIONS, which are the building bricks of a much wider world than that conquered by human logic. But as F-fields (just for you; instead of "yin") are in Nature "disciplined" by M-paths (yang), so our emotions should be,
I agree.

As you can see from the GEOmantica - magazine Issue 39, there are
three articles placed, written from very different angles but starting from one and the same central point - EMPOWERMENT of an INDIVIDUAL being to explore OUR WORLD (not Aldebaran) in his own way, not choked from the very start by the respect for collegues in Science or any religious leaders. And if you thought, we would undermine another geomancer`s way of reasoning or marketing our own as the only true one; you`d miss the point.

On 2008-04-02 11:46, paulcmuir wrote:
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On 2008-04-02 11:31, MuddyMick wrote:
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On 2008-04-02 12:10, vlad wrote:
One is clear. I`m not repeating after others so much as you do, MM.
What would you want to discuss, MM, is still a great enigma for me.
Why not giving to us a lecture on PSYCHOLOGY of PRIMING, instead!?
Instead of being affected with features of our own countryside, we
are searching for Aldebaran or the Pleiades to center our being
around. Is it not a real problem!?

On 2008-04-02 12:59, paulcmuir wrote: