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hamish
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|  Posted 25-02-2007 at 12:11
Are there any thoughts on the two Stones at Berwick St james ? Are they as is currently thought the remains of an "altar" Stone from Stonehenge and if so should they be repatriated ? Has anyone else been there to have a look ? 
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davidmorgan
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 12:28
I might pop up this week for a look, I'm only 17 miles away.
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BERNARDQUATERMASS
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|  Posted 25-02-2007 at 13:03
I'm really surprised that the Meg. Portal has taken so long to get round to this.
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hamish
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 13:18
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On 2007-02-25 13:03, BERNARDQUATERMASS wrote:
I'm really surprised that the Meg. Portal has taken so long to get round to this.
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So am I, which is why I posed the question,I've been to see the stones and posted the pictures.There are discussions going on on other forums,let's get away from the esoteric and discuss something real.
Are there more of these stones, lost from Stonehenge,and scattered around the villages of South Wilts ?
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BERNARDQUATERMASS
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 17:13
These stones are being used to stop vehicles from damaging a grass verge and telegraph pole, and the corner of a house.
I know Kevin has been and weighed them up and thinks that they're totally out of place where they are, (and from the photos I'd agree with him).
Does anyone know the procedure to get them moved to somewhere safe, at least until they're authenticated or not?
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hamish
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 19:26
They are out of place,that is accepted.They have been in the village for at least 200 years.They are Jurassic limestone found in Dorset and the Cotswolds.The Stones are similar to those pictured in a Victorian woodcut picture which shows a stone being cut in two.There are accounts of a stone described by Inago jones being transported to a place St James.
More stuff at http://www.eternalidol.com
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 23:17
If Eternal Idol would like to let us know when they post an interesting new article like this then we'd be very happy to put an extract on the Front page with the other news.
If you look at the counter in the left-hand side menu on the site you will see that there are typically well over 100 people browsing the site at any one time. This is not just the same 100 people though, each month of last year we were visited by around 70,000 unique visitors who between them viewed over 1 million pages per month. I make that to be the same sort of exposure as you would get in a high-street magazine....as I say to our prospective advertisers 
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 23:38
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On 2007-02-25 23:17, Andy B wrote:
If Eternal Idol would like to let us know when they post an interesting new article like this then we'd be very happy to put an extract on the Front page with the other news.
Good idea Andy. I already have Eternal Idol set up as one of my 'favourites' and often check it out for latest stories. Very interesting, well-written site.
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| Posted 26-02-2007 at 12:38
I have mentioned this to Dennis and PeteG over the weekend, that the woodcut is post-1797 [57 & 58 are fallen] while Inigo Jones reported the altar being moved in 1600 and something. So a red-herring in my opinion, but a fortuitous one, as it has unwittingly prompted this whole discussion, which I [really want to] believe to be true.
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| Posted 26-02-2007 at 18:00
The woodcut is dated 1749.
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| Posted 26-02-2007 at 18:49
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On 2007-02-26 18:00, PeteG wrote:
The woodcut is dated 1749.
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1749? First time I've seen that date anywhere - but the view through the gap between the trilithons would be blocked by 57 and 58, which fell in 1797.
And very much pre-Victorian !
Now my head is spinning again...
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BERNARDQUATERMASS
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| Posted 28-02-2007 at 00:24
Pete G. reckons he's found another stone.
[ This message was edited by: BERNARDQUATERMASS on 2007-02-28 00:28 ]
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| Posted 28-02-2007 at 09:14
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On 2007-02-28 00:24, BERNARDQUATERMASS wrote:
Pete G. reckons he's found another stone.
[ This message was edited by: BERNARDQUATERMASS on 2007-02-28 00:28 ]
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I wonder how many are hiding away in villages in the area,I expect bridges on farms are a good place to look.
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| Posted 28-02-2007 at 20:47
Hamish, in my experience gate posts are always worth looking at. Over the centuries farmers have cleared fields and formed their boundaries from stones found there. Round and odd shaped stones are great for building walls but something about 4ft tall, straight and thin makes a great post for a gate.
Try any site you have visited and I guarantee you'll find a few.
Good hunting.
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hamish
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| Posted 28-02-2007 at 21:25
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On 2007-02-28 20:47, sem wrote:
Hamish, in my experience gate posts are always worth looking at. Over the centuries farmers have cleared fields and formed their boundaries from stones found there. Round and odd shaped stones are great for building walls but something about 4ft tall, straight and thin makes a great post for a gate.
Try any site you have visited and I guarantee you'll find a few.
Good hunting.
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Thanks Sem, I will definately be going down there again,there is so much hidden but not hidden around us. A pair of new eyes taking a lateral look is what is needed.
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| Posted 03-03-2007 at 01:24
I was just wondering what the odds are for the two sections of stone still being together after all their adventures.
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hamish
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| Posted 03-03-2007 at 09:53
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On 2007-03-03 01:24, BERNARDQUATERMASS wrote:
I was just wondering what the odds are for the two sections of stone still being together after all their adventures.
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I suppose the only way is to dig them up and have a look.
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| Posted 03-03-2007 at 10:30
"what the odds are for the two sections of stone still being together after all their adventures."
Reasonably high possibly. We have a (possible) account of them being taken as one (or maybe two) to make a bridge and then they stayed together until 200 years ago and now they turn up together not far from where the bridge was.
These grooves: could the bridge have just comprised the two stones, laid side by side at the width of a carriage or cart, and could the grooves be due to iron wheels? Once the grooves started to wear they'd wear in quite a narrow fashion as the wheels would be naturally forced into them. And if the bridge consisted only of the two stones the carters would be very careful yo keep exactly to the grooves else they'd end up in the stream. I've seen lots of wheel grooves like that - around mines in Wales and Cornwall for instance.
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| Posted 03-03-2007 at 20:40
http://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/salisbury/salisburynews/display.var.1230160.0.stonehenge_secrets_may_lie_by_side_of_the_road.php
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| Posted 04-03-2007 at 10:53
There is some more interesting information on http://www.eternalidol.com mentioning the use of the stones as a bridge. On one of my pictures is an elderly lady and dog, I was talking to her and she told me about them being part of a bridge. So it is part of the living memory of the village.
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