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Aluta
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|  Posted 22-02-2007 at 19:30
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On 2007-02-22 16:41, MuddyMick wrote:
Basho the father of the Haiku.
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Just to clarify, I know who Basho is. Have one book about a journey he took and the poems he wrote while traveling. I'm pretty sure Snyder read and admired him.
Oh, now what's that one poem by Snyder? I believe the title is For All. Pretty close to sunyata, although in an American style. Those beat writers were into Zen or fancied they were. My favourite of the beat poets was Lew Welch. But don't let me get started quoting him--I can go on!
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 02:09
Sorry, can't help myself!
Notes from a Pioneer on a Speck in Space
by Lew Welch
Few things that grow here poison us.
Most of the animals are small.
Those big enough to kill us do it in a way
Easy to understand, easy to defend against.
The air, here, is just what the blood needs.
We don't use helmets or special suits.
The Star, here, doesn't burn you if you
Stay outside as much as you should.
The worst of our winters is bearable.
Water, both salt and sweet, is everywhere.
The things that live in it are easily gathered.
Mostly, you can eat them raw with safety and pleasure.
Yesterday my wife and I brought back
Shells, driftwood, stones, and other curiosities
Found on the beach of the immense
Fresh-water Sea we live by.
She was all excited by a slender white stone which:
"Exactly fits the hand!"
I couldn't share her wonder;
Here, almost everything does.
Step Out Onto the Planet
by Lew Welch
Step out onto the Planet.
Draw a circle a hundred feet round.
Inside the circle are
300 things nobody understands, and maybe
nobody's ever seen.
How many can you find?
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 08:21
http://www.poetry-chaikhana.com/S/SnyderGary/ForAll.htm
The internet is a wondrous thing; Mirce Eliade can be found, as also "the phenomenology of religion".. which all in their way hark back to the theme of the sacred........
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 12:55
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Quit strutting around like a Peacock and try talking in plain english then! You and Paulus sound like an upgrade of the mithra/ chykers programme. 
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having a preferance for succinct precision and clarity should allay confusion and misapprehension.
It is plain english and as such is probably one of the most usefull tools we have when expressing our relationship to the 'ineffable' mysterys of life.
To use the wrong tool does a disservice to both that which is expressed , the intentions of the expressor and those that would try and relate/understand the expression.
strutting like a peacock?
Inability to grasp=inferiority?
In my humble opinion it would be advisable to have a dictionary and thesaurus to hand or just ask for an explanation, the explanation is obviously needed and misapprehension rife if you liken either myself or Paulus to those two!
regardsMM
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 15:28
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On 2007-02-23 12:55, MuddyMick wrote:
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having a preferance for succinct precision and clarity should allay confusion and misapprehension.
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Meaning: 'having a PREFERENCE for BRIEF & PRECISE precision and CLEARNESS should REDUCE confusion and MISTAKE'
Thanks for clarifying the English language!
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 15:39
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On 2007-02-23 15:28, ragnarok wrote:
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having a preferance for succinct precision and clarity should allay confusion and misapprehension.
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Meaning: 'having a PREFERENCE for BRIEF & PRECISE precision and CLEARNESS should REDUCE confusion and MISTAKE'
Thanks for clarifying the English language!
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eeeeeeerrrmmm and the point being.....as those sentences mean different things.....proving the point of muddied water!
regards MM
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 16:10
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Quit strutting around like a Peacock and try talking in plain english then! You and Paulus sound like an upgrade of the mithra/ chykers programme.
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having a preferance for succinct precision and clarity should allay confusion and misapprehension.
It is plain english and as such is probably one of the most usefull tools we have when expressing our relationship to the 'ineffable' mysterys of life.
To use the wrong tool does a disservice to both that which is expressed , the intentions of the expressor and those that would try and relate/understand the expression.
strutting like a peacock?
Inability to grasp=inferiority?
In my humble opinion it would be advisable to have a dictionary and thesaurus to hand or just ask for an explanation, the explanation is obviously needed and misapprehension rife if you liken either myself or Paulus to those two!
regardsMM
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No explanation required thanks Mick, you're not difficult to work out.
mike
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Aluta
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 16:53
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having a preferance for succinct precision and clarity should allay confusion and misapprehension.
It is plain english and as such is probably one of the most usefull tools we have when expressing our relationship to the 'ineffable' mysterys of life.
To use the wrong tool does a disservice to both that which is expressed , the intentions of the expressor and those that would try and relate/understand the expression.
strutting like a peacock?
Inability to grasp=inferiority?
In my humble opinion it would be advisable to have a dictionary and thesaurus to hand or just ask for an explanation, the explanation is obviously needed and misapprehension rife if you liken either myself or Paulus to those two!
regardsMM
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Your English, with all due respect, isn't that plain. Any writer will tell you that good writing is clear writing and that it is desirable not to ask the reader to resort to the dictionary, as he is more likely just to close the book. Long Latinate words are less expressive and can be deadening to prose or to conversation.
You seem like a nice and smart fellow overall. It only takes a little effort to render thought into comprehensible language. Doing so makes a huge difference in the tone and content of the resultant exchange. Not doing so is likely to get you ignored.
Just saying'. 
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 17:08
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On 2007-02-23 15:39, MuddyMick wrote:
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On 2007-02-23 15:28, ragnarok wrote:
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having a preferance for succinct precision and clarity should allay confusion and misapprehension.
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Meaning: 'having a PREFERENCE for BRIEF & PRECISE precision and CLEARNESS should REDUCE confusion and MISTAKE'
Thanks for clarifying the English language!
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eeeeeeerrrmmm and the point being.....as those sentences mean different things.....proving the point of muddied water!
regards MM
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ER What? I was simply putting basic English definitions to YOUR words:
'Succinct' means: brief & precise
'Clarity' means: clearness
'Allay' means: reduce
'Misapprehension' means: mistake
Therefore the two sentences should have EXACTLY the same meaning!!
Made a mistake, I meant to put: thanks for clottifying the English language.
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| Posted 23-02-2007 at 22:05
You mean they don't teach scansion anymore?
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| Posted 24-02-2007 at 11:26
"Suppose you are an intellectual imposter with nothing to say... What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content."
Richard Dawkins, from review of 'Intellectual Impostures' by Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont.
Copy and paste complete streams of intellectual bull-shot from this link to the 'Postmodern Generator', computer generated mumbo jumbo devoid of any meaning but yet expressing that certain gravitas that jargon and 'big' words infer. Impress your friends with your deep and erudite ramblings: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo
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| Posted 24-02-2007 at 12:35
Bullseye!
The way to test whether the use of fancy words is an affectation for effect is to follow the suspect around till they stub their toe and see if their words become suddenly simpler.
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 13:21
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On 2007-02-24 11:26, KenWilliams wrote:
"Suppose you are an intellectual imposter with nothing to say... What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content."
Richard Dawkins, from review of 'Intellectual Impostures' by Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont.
Copy and paste complete streams of intellectual bull-shot from this link to the 'Postmodern Generator', computer generated mumbo jumbo devoid of any meaning but yet expressing that certain gravitas that jargon and 'big' words infer. Impress your friends with your deep and erudite ramblings: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo
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I'm not totally sure who you're relating to here, but following the last few remarks, it appears to be old Muddy. But if your memory works correctly you'll recall that he first said, when asked for a bitta clarity:
I do not want to appear arrogant as i do believe a genuine question should be given a honest answer...so here goes.
I am sure you will remember maths class as a child, the teacher would always want to see your 'working out' the methodology by which you arrived at an answer.The methodology (the working out) is integral and part of the answer one with out the other could just be a arbitrary number (statement) open to all manner of misapprehension.
I hope this explains my approach?
Now that was nice and easy wasn't it? But then some folk had a go at the workings-out bit, as is their choice. Then he said something which meant folk had to go for the dictionaries, which, in my world, is where any person goes when they don't know what a word means. Simple, yeah...?
Muddy's other allusions (you know what that means I assume?) are to transpersonal dynamics (look that up if you're struggling) which can be apprehended either from a puritanical intellectual viewpoint, or from frame-of-reference recall, or a NewAgey system, or one of ignorance, etc. On this forum we have a variety of people attempting to describe or negate such experiential domains (are you still following...?) where half of them have no personal frame of reference whatsoever and, moreover, aren't interested it seems in testing states of consciousness which will then allow for them to have a frame of reference regarding 'numinous' or 'spiritual' encounters. Hence, in a logical scientific sense, people who decry such states, or explanations relating to them, have neither frame of reference nor intellectual knowledge. Such people are what anyone would commonly call "a fool." Even Richard Dawkins would tell you that. So I'm not quite sure which school of thinking you're from. Are you just borrowing the words of intellectuals to make yourself seem cleverer than you are, and if so, why? Or just playing devil's advocate? Cos we can all grab the words of hero-figures and play that game. The harder thing is to apprehend through logical discourse, a wider paradigm than the one which old-school reductionism (created by by the Church no less!) has turned into a belief system and which inhibits both individual and social development. To denigrate something, simply because you cannot apprehend it, is wrong.
In my knowledge, the most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead.
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[ This message was edited by: Andy B on 2007-09-28 19:35 ]
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On 2007-02-24 12:35, Chyknel wrote:
Bullseye!
The way to test whether the use of fancy words is an affectation for effect is to follow the suspect around till they stub their toe and see if their words become suddenly simpler.
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Are we the only people here who can actually understand the english language above O' Level standard or what!?
...And there was you always striving to give the impression you had an IQ.
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 14:19
MuddyMick & brigantia same person?
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| Posted 25-02-2007 at 14:27
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I've been waiting for that one! The answer's "No!"
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You , mithra,chykers,Paulus and Mick! Might as well be!
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| Posted 26-02-2007 at 00:03
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On 2007-02-25 23:32, waterbouy wrote:
You , mithra,chykers,Paulus and Mick! Might as well be!
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Not to me, I must say. If it were just brigantia and MM we had to deal with, I think there could be some good discussion. I don't mind if someone is academic and uses big words unnecessarily sometimes if he or she is fair-minded and reasonably respectful. brigantia and MM seem to be more interested in the subject discussed than in proving someone else wrong, or if that fails, evil, as a sort of blood sport.
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"than in proving someone else wrong, or if that fails, evil, as a sort of blood sport."
?????!!!!
The only occasion I can recall anyone representing anyone as evil was YOU calling us "the dark side"!
Bizarre!
Anyhow, enjoy your private forum. I'm tempted to apply for entry, just to see whether I'd be refused entry and why ("Doesn't believe trees are sentient? Thinks Royal Family are Human? Etc etc...)
Yes I know, it wouldn't be that, it would be because I'm "too nasty". T'ain't though really, no more than the claim that scientists are fools or liars has real substance. Truth is, most of this crazy talk doesn't stand up to a moment's scrutiny so you're taking it off to where it doesn't have to. Wise move.
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You , mithra,chykers,Paulus and Mick! Might as well be!
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Oh Great Holy One - how can I question such wisdom! We are indeed one. Twas the lizard I saw t'other day which told me. I was upon the moors and, there before mine eyes, didst a small reptile sit upon the rock, bathing in the open air. And then I knew the revelation I saw before me: twas David Icke's dad, having time-out. We sdat and talked for a while - about the weather and stuff, y' know Natural Magick - before I saw its vision disappear before me, in a flash of cream-buns! Even weirder, when I walked down the stream and into the woods, I saw a squirrel. Utterly amazing. I think it was a sign...
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