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TimPrevett
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|  Posted 05-11-2006 at 15:02
Interesting Article HERE.
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rbatham
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On 2006-11-05 15:02, ShropshireTraveller wrote:
Interesting Article HERE.
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Hi Tim, same old question, where did we come from? another opinion. IMO DNA testing of English is much too late or was never possible. don't know for sure, but it seems DNA testing will only show a positive result with communities that have kept some sort integrity without mixed marriages. Since the Norman invasion there have been
influxes of Jews, Flemings, Dutch, Huegenots etc, In my case a Batham married a french woman in 1796, probably a refugee from the revolution.I can't trace back any further. This may be typical of anyone from London. What used to fascinate me was the change of accent as one travelled away from London showing different heritages and ancestry. people tended to marry within their own village, but this is not so now with increased mobility. motor cars. All sorts of imigration and mixed marriage are now common. Roy
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On 2006-11-05 15:02, ShropshireTraveller wrote:
Interesting Article HERE.
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Yes, always an interesting subject!
Also it should perhaps be noted that the 'Scots' originally came from Ireland and it was the Gaels or Goidels (not Celts) who inhabited. Similar but not the same.
The oldest stone circles known are also in Ireland, I understand, at Carrowmore Co. Sligo....that's why I think there might have been migration from abroad - West or North West. Rather than the assumed migration from the East - the continent, at that time. This happened much latter.
Was hoping to visit Ireland this year but work/time got the better of me! Have you been to these extensive sites near Sligo Tim? Do you do trips there? Would be interested to know more or join one of your outings if so. Mithra.
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| Posted 08-11-2006 at 21:28
Where are the Jutes?
When I was in school they taught about the Angles, Saxons and Jutes. Nowadays we all seem to be either Anglo-Saxon or Celt.
Aw well - stuff you all. I am from Yorkshire and we consider ourselves "Self made men" - thus relieving God of a great responsibility.
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| Posted 08-11-2006 at 22:58
On 2006-11-08 21:28, sem wrote:
'' Where are the Jutes?''
Ay you're right - they don't seem to figure these days. Mind you these people, from Jutland, mainly only occupied Kent - they later conquered the Isle of Wight and the opposite coast of Hampshire in the early 6th century.
So they arn't that important to us more northernly folks! Mithra.
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rbatham
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| Posted 09-11-2006 at 01:30
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On 2006-11-08 22:58, mithra wrote:
On 2006-11-08 21:28, sem wrote:
'' Where are the Jutes?''
Ay you're right - they don't seem to figure these days. Mind you these people, from Jutland, mainly only occupied Kent - they later conquered the Isle of Wight and the opposite coast of Hampshire in the early 6th century.
So they arn't that important to us more northernly folks! Mithra.
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You northerly folk should be stamped 'Made in Denmark'. 
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''You northerly folk should be stamped 'Made in Denmark'. ''
Why?
The Scandinavian 'Vikings' first conquered England in 1013. They were known as 'Danes' in England and Ireland. I wouldn't mind having Viking blood - they were very organised!
Ah, update, they now think that the Jutes probably came from the Rhineland.
The Angles & Saxons came from the Schleswig-Holstein region....Angles settling in E.Anglia, Mercia and Northumbria, the Saxons in Essex, Sussex and Wessex. Of course we are talking as late as the 5th to 7th centuries AD here.
How about Roman blood?
Of course the Celts were much earlier still (600 - 500BC) where they the first to mingle with our established local tribes? Mithra.
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rbatham
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On 2006-11-09 12:51, mithra wrote:
Why?
The Scandinavian 'Vikings' first conquered England in 1013. They were known as 'Danes' in England and Ireland. I wouldn't mind having Viking blood - they were very organised!
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Come on!, you're thinking of Canute. Danes occupied most of England long before, Alfred was fighting them from Wessex 878, Roy
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''...you're thinking of Canute. Danes occupied most of England long before, Alfred was fighting them from Wessex 878,''
No. Sweyn 1st - his son, Canute, became King of England.
Thought they had only raided previous to 1013 and not actually settled? Where was there first known settlement? Mithra
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rbatham
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On 2006-11-09 13:34, mithra wrote:
No. Sweyn 1st - his son, Canute, became King of England.
Thought they had only raided previous to 1013 and not actually settled? Where was there first known settlement? Mithra
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I'll have to look it up, but I'm sure they occupied Northumbria about 850. Roy
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On 2006-11-09 13:34, mithra wrote:
No. Sweyn 1st - his son, Canute, became King of England.
Thought they had only raided previous to 1013 and not actually settled? Where was there first known settlement? Mithra
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I'll have to look it up, but I'm sure they occupied Northumbria about 850. Roy
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The Danes were definately settling around the time of King Alfred of the saxons. After the treaty with Guthrum in 886, Danelaw was created north of the Thames, where the people lived to the law of the Danes. And the Danes were Vikings, when they raided during the summer, they said the went "Viking", but during the rest of the year, they were Danes! (i've begun to wonder if the Border Reiver practices of plunder, and blackmail and such were a medieval echo of the viking ways......)
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On 2006-11-24 22:41, nicoladidsbury wrote:
The Danes were definately settling around the time of King Alfred of the saxons. After the treaty with Guthrum in 886, Danelaw was created north of the Thames, where the people lived to the law of the Danes. And the Danes were Vikings, when they raided during the summer, they said the went "Viking", but during the rest of the year, they were Danes! (i've begun to wonder if the Border Reiver practices of plunder, and blackmail and such were a medieval echo of the viking ways......)
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But isn't 'Viking ' a misnomer? the term actually referes to 'sons of the chieftan' not the general population. What we call 'danes' were norsemen, from Denmark as well as Norway. to get back on track, the genes are so mixed that DNA testing would prove nothing, Roy
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