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rbatham
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|  Posted 16-09-2006 at 12:32
It is generally thought that the kings of England were buried in Westminster Abbey or later at Windsor. this is not so. I wonder how many of the sites are still extant or have a memorial? considering the later closure of monasteries and churches.
William I Church of St Stephen Caen Normandy
William II under the tower of St Swithen's Winchester
Henry I Reading Abbey
Stephen Monastery of Faversham
Henry II Fontevraud Normandy
Richard I " "
John Cathedral church Worcester
Edward II murdered Abbey church Gloucester
Richard II murdered Pontefract Castle
Richard III Church of Gray friars Leicester.
local inhabitants may have info
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| Posted 16-09-2006 at 15:02
A couple of corrections and additions..... William II (Rufus), his burial at Winchester Cathedral (St Swithun) is said to have occasioned the collapse of the tower! The tent top tomb, previously thought to be his, is now ascribed to Bishop Henry of Blois.
The bones of King Canute (Knut) are kept, together with several Anglo-Saxon kings, in several ornamental chests in the chancel of the Cathedral.
The exact position of King Alfred's grave was discovered a couple of years ago in the small Winchester suburb of Hyde and is now marked by a handsome ledger stone together with his wife and son. The whole in a garden planted to show the outline of the demolished Hyde Abbey. The bones and the Abbey long gone alas.
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| Posted 16-09-2006 at 20:01
I have wandered around the abbeye des hommes in Caen, where William the conquerer is supposed to be buried, and a marble tomb marks the spot, but is he there?
During the bombing of Caen almost 75 % of Caen was flattened, but this place was untouched?
The whole churh is surrounded inside by metalwork made up of the most fabulous spirals, I know why?
I know why they buried him in the exact spot they did, spirals, spirals , spirals
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rbatham
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| Posted 17-09-2006 at 02:32
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On 2006-09-16 15:02, Jimit wrote:
A couple of corrections and additions..... William II (Rufus), his burial at Winchester Cathedral (St Swithun) is said to have occasioned the collapse of the tower! The tent top tomb, previously thought to be his, is now ascribed to Bishop Henry of Blois.
The bones of King Canute (Knut) are kept, together with several Anglo-Saxon kings, in several ornamental chests in the chancel of the Cathedral.
The exact position of King Alfred's grave was discovered a couple of years ago in the small Winchester suburb of Hyde and is now marked by a handsome ledger stone together with his wife and son. The whole in a garden planted to show the outline of the demolished Hyde Abbey. The bones and the Abbey long gone alas.
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Thanks Jimit. I haven't looke d at the saxon kings yet, Interested in Allfred's grave. How was it identified.? any pictures? Roy
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| Posted 17-09-2006 at 02:38
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On 2006-09-16 20:01, cropredy wrote:
I have wandered around the abbeye des hommes in Caen, where William the conquerer is supposed to be buried, and a marble tomb marks the spot, but is he there?
During the bombing of Caen almost 75 % of Caen was flattened, but this place was untouched?
The whole churh is surrounded inside by metalwork made up of the most fabulous spirals, I know why?
I know why they buried him in the exact spot they did, spirals, spirals , spirals
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Thanks Kevin. The original church was founded by William himself. At his funeral one named Anscelin demanded that the body be removed because he was a theif, stole the land to build the church. But i don't think he was removed. Roy
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| Posted 17-09-2006 at 10:06
Now, it's very unusual to use ebay as a source of interest or historical information, but the item listed below is a stunning 350 year old map of the British Isles showing the 7 early Saxon Kings on one side and later Saxon kings being converted to Christianity on the other side, along with their individual 'Kingdoms'. 3 different cartographers produced versions of this map - Speed, Blaeu and Jansson, with this Blaeu being the most decorative. There are loads of places to obtain recent prints quite cheaply as the originals are incredibly expensive - as can be seen from this one at $5,500!
Just thought it might be of some interest....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1645-Blaeu-Map-Saxon-England-Wales-Scotland-Heptarchy_W0QQitemZ6601525580QQihZ012QQcategoryZ63614QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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rbatham
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| Posted 17-09-2006 at 12:16
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On 2006-09-17 10:06, Sanchez wrote:
Now, it's very unusual to use ebay as a source of interest or historical information, but the item listed below is a stunning 350 year old map of the British Isles showing the 7 early Saxon Kings on one side and later Saxon kings being converted to Christianity on the other side, along with their individual 'Kingdoms'. 3 different cartographers produced versions of this map - Speed, Blaeu and Jansson, with this Blaeu being the most decorative. There are loads of places to obtain recent prints quite cheaply as the originals are incredibly expensive - as can be seen from this one at $5,500!
Just thought it might be of some interest....
Thanks, but my old book (1866) has a map of he heptarchy, probably a copy of those you mention. but how valid is it since the boundaries kept changing with internecine rivalry an Danish incursions.?
Read some more on saxon kings. many were said to be at Winchester. though some at Glastonbury probably due to Danish occupation of Winchester. Ethelred, brother of Alfred the Great was buried at Wimborne, Dorset maybe in one of the tumuli there. Hardicanute was buried at winchester and his succesor Harold II was buried at Waltham Abbey after his death at Hastings. Roy
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| Posted 18-09-2006 at 18:43
Aethelbert and Aethelred were both buried right here at Sherborne abbey, you can even see their bones in a glass covered pit!
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| Posted 19-09-2006 at 11:22
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On 2006-09-18 18:43, Kieren wrote:
Aethelbert and Aethelred were both buried right here at Sherborne abbey, you can even see their bones in a glass covered pit!
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thanks for yoour research. I have had to revise my thinking about King Alfred. My school teachers are probably to blame. I thought that with the danes invading that Alfred was living rough in an area that was not developed. But it appears that there were many Saxon towns abbeys and churches in dorsetshire. Roy
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| Posted 19-09-2006 at 14:12
I've added 3 pics of Alfred's grave site here in Winchester... http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=24211&orderby=dateD
I'll add notes to the site soon but in the meantime the central slab is Alfred's with his wife Ealswith and their son Edward the Elder on either side. The transparent plate shows the inside of the original Hyde Abbey and the metal columns with holly inside represent the site of the pillars of the E end.
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|  Posted 19-09-2006 at 17:36
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On 2006-09-16 12:32, rbatham wrote:
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Richard III Church of Gray friars Leicester.
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I seem to recall that he was later dug up and the remains tipped out to be scattered. The stone outer coffin used as a watering trough. Or is that merely a grim legend?
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| Posted 20-09-2006 at 04:26
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On 2006-09-19 17:36, bat400 wrote:
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I seem to recall that he was later dug up and the remains tipped out to be scattered. The stone outer coffin used as a watering trough. Or is that merely a grim legend?
[/quoteIt is quite possible that this was done. even later Oliver Cromwell was interred in Westminster Abbey but after the Restoration he was dug up, hung drawn and quartered and i believe dumped in the Thames along with his mother. Is Grey friars still standing or another ruin? Roy
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| Posted 20-09-2006 at 15:39
I've added a short history of the fate of King Alfred's remains. See above.[Page 1]
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|  Posted 24-10-2006 at 23:02
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On 2006-09-18 18:43, Kieren wrote:
Aethelbert and Aethelred were both buried right here at Sherborne abbey, you can even see their bones in a glass covered pit!
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If I remember rightly the last time I was at Sherborne I thought I read that there was another king buried there buy "lost" him and don't know where he is. 
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