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Andy B
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|  Posted 31-10-2006 at 08:05
Chris,
That's the idea of this thread really, I'll prune older things out of it as we find them. I need to include all the information given from the news items as it can help track down sites when the information is rather sketchy.
You can always bookmark this thread and come back to it. Thanks for your help with a bit of armchair site hunting.
We will be adding 'to do' lists in other threads, feel free to add your own as well.
Cheers
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Andy B
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| Posted 01-11-2006 at 13:36
Thanks for posting the Vernal graffiti item Bat. Small point, no one outside the area will know where Vernal is so I've changed the headline it to 'Ancient rock art near Salt Lake City tarnished by recent vandals' and edited the text to say 'near Vernal, Utah.' (I think people will guess we're talking about the USA in this case but elsewhere I often add a country too)
Cheers
(I've also changed 'recent vandals' to 'recent vandalism', which is what's recent, not the vandals themselves!)
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Andy B
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| Posted 01-11-2006 at 13:47
Cowee mound purchase to preserve Cherokee heritage
Acquisition of the Cowee mound is important to the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Indians in that it means one of their most important prehistoric sites will be preserved. [I can't see anywhere in the story where they describe how this mound is prehistoric? AB]
It is important to everyone in that it is one more link in the campaign by the Land Trust for the Little Tennessee to preserve the upper Little Tennessee River basin.
Several miles north of Franklin on State Road 28, you can look across the river and view a grassy knoll on the opposite bank.
Unlike the hills behind, it was not molded by the forces of nature, though it is understandable that many would think so. After all, it was in place centuries before any non-Indian saw it.
Cowee Mound may or may not have been built by the ancestors of the Cherokee, but by the 18th century it was “the principal commercial and diplomatic center of the ... mountain Cherokee,” according to the Land Trust.
William Bartram, in his 1776 trip across the mountains, said it consisted of about 100 homes.
Atop the mound, he wrote, was a council house “capable of accommodating several hundred people.”
Hall family ownership
Cowee, along with virtually all of Western North Carolina, passed out of Cherokee hands in the early 19th century.
The 71-acre tract that includes the mound had been owned by the Hall family since the 1820s, until passing to the late James Porter through his wife, Katherine Hall Porter, according to Paul Carlson, executive director of the land trust.
“It was James’ desire to see the mound return to Cherokee ownership,” Carlson said.
Soon it will. The Land Trust had obtained an option on the property and a Clean Water Management Trust Fund grant to cover part of the purchase price.
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http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200661031054
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bat400
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| Posted 01-11-2006 at 14:19
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On 2006-11-01 13:36, Andy B wrote:
Thanks for posting the Vernal graffiti item Bat. Small point, no one outside the area will know where Vernal is so I've changed the headline [ This message was edited by: Andy B on 2006-11-01 13:40 ]
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Thanks. A similar thought went through my mind as I logged off at 1 am. SLC is definitely the closest large City to Vernal (though its population would probably argue about the demotion.  )
If there is more information on this, giving a more definitive location, I'll create a site listing for it.
(I'll get a site listing for Skidaway Island up, too.)
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| Posted 01-11-2006 at 14:47
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Cowee mound purchase to preserve Cherokee heritage
[I can't see anywhere in the story where they describe how this mound is prehistoric? AB]
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I'd say it deserves a listing.
But, now, this is an interesting point. If "historic" is written record, and "prehistoric" is a event prior to the written record - all happenings in the North American interior are pre-historic until the european settlement of any area.
Both Cowee Mound and the nearby Nikwasi Mound were being used as structural platforms for council houses in Cherokee villages when whites came on the scene. Similar uses of structural mounds occurred in the southeast, and along the southern Mississippi River. (Noted by deSoto's crew among others.) In many cases excavations of these mounds have shown them to have been originally built in the "Mississippian" period (900-1400AD.) Whether the Cherokee people's ancestors built the mounds in the Mississippian period or they used the same site - they did describe to white travelers how they augmented mounds by a cycle of building, teardown and rebuilding of structures on the mounds.
Neither Cowee or Nikwasi have been excavated (that I've discovered.) Their claim to prehistoric status is based on other prehistoric finds in the immediate area and the similarity of these mounds to ones that have been excavated. Cowee is listed on the NRHP because of the active village the earliest whites saw and its importance. It is "prehistoric" - positively by the "existed"-prior-to-written-history definition - and likely by the "pre-Columbian" probable association with Mississippian cultures.
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| Posted 01-11-2006 at 19:55
Yes, in the past we've picked 1500AD rather out of the air as a cut-off date for North American sites, but this is the very latest. Your experience here is very welcome!
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| Posted 12-12-2006 at 14:08
Do we have this 'Longhouse' site listed under another name? - Andy
Story as follows:
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/farming/farming/tm_headline=-protecting-ancient-forts-from-a-modern---invasion--&method=full&objectid=18247189&siteid=50082-name_page.html
Protecting ancient forts from a modern invasion
Dec 12 2006
Steve Dube, Western Mail
AS THE days get shorter and colder the thought of a pleasant stroll along the Pembrokeshire coast couldn't be further from most people's minds.
But working to maintain the paths is a year-round job which presents many challenges.
Our ancestors from the Iron Age were defended by forts, often built on cliff-top promontories for extra security.
The very reasons they chose these locations create problems today with the narrow strips of land being eroded on both sides by the sea.
A partnership between the National Trust and Pembrokeshire Coast National Park Authority is helping to ensure that these important monuments remain safely accessible to interested visitors, while making sure they are protected from the impact of pounding feet.
At Longhouse, a promontory fort between St Davids and Fishguard, the path has been routed away from eroding cliffs.
Work involved impressive reconstruction of field boundaries dating back to the early 19th century. The new footpath will also help protect the fort's ramparts.
Similar concerns led to work at Porth y Rhaw where footpaths crossed the ramparts and ran along crumbling clifftops.
Emma Plunkett Dillon, archaeologist for the National Trust, said, "We know that features like Porth y Rhaw are very popular but unfortunately such historic landmarks can't withstand the impact of large numbers of visitors.
"We have to consider where the safest route lies and how people can enjoy seeing the fort whilst doing our best to make sure it will be around for future generations to enjoy."
A second phase of work at Porth y Rhaw will reroute the path away from the cliff edge, with a small archaeological excavation of the area.
In the future it may be increasingly difficult to balance all these needs.
Emma explained, "As we see more climate change impacts in Wales it is likely that the coast will change more quickly.
"We will have to monitor erosion and the risk of tidal flooding and look at what aspects of our coastal heritage are vulnerable. And of course we always need to consider people's safety."
She added "It is important that any new footpaths being planned along the coast take this into consideration and are designed to be fit for the future."
Phil Bennett, archaeological heritage manager for the National Park Authority, said, "It's not just prehistoric monuments that are vulnerable to the sea; there is a long history of medieval graves eroding out of the cliffs in the National Park.
"Sites such as St Brides and West Angle are cases in point where early Christian cemeteries have been and continue to be damaged by wave action.
"This year archaeologists from the National Park Authority and Cambria Archaeology led an excavation at Angle to try to establish more information about the cemetery and, with help from Planed, encouraged locals and visitors to join in."
Hannah Pitt is policy officer for the National Trust
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