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Andy B
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|  Posted 08-09-2006 at 13:57
Perhaps if I can post links to some more news articles in this thread then a few more enterprising people can track down longs and lats for the sites by searching the web or otherwise.
Even if you can just track down the long/lat for the nearest town or settlement to the site, as Klingon did for the Ukranian Pyramids then this is a start. Hopefully someone else will come along with a more accurate location later.
Having a location allows us to create a 'Site Pages' to anchor news stories to a particular geographic location, get them displayed on our map, and hopefully get some photo submissions of the location too.
The same archaeology news stories get parroted all over the web in various blogs, but are completely abstract until you can see exactly where they are talking about. I don't want the Portal to be just another source of second-hand news, I feel this is a unique thing we can do to bring the stories to life a bit more.
Post the details here, or ideally fill out our 'Add a New Site' form with the rough details of the site, and include the text of the news story and the link to it (URL).
Thanks!
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| Posted 21-09-2006 at 13:17
How about this mysterious one bat400?
Mayan ruins said center of mysterious civilization
Experts are examining the ruins of a pre-Columbian culture in an area of Honduras where there had been no previous evidence of major indigenous civilization.
The site, discovered earlier this year, consists of 14 mounds that form part of what are believed to be ceremonial grounds, the Honduran Institute of Anthropology said.
"They are part of a very important site, a governing center of a pre-Columbian civilization," Oscar Neils, the institute's head of research, told Reuters. "We had no idea that there was a pre-Columbian culture in this area."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060909/sc_nm/life_honduras_ruins_dc
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| Posted 21-09-2006 at 18:32
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On 2006-09-21 13:17, Andy B wrote:
How about this mysterious one bat400?
Experts are examining the ruins of a pre-Columbian culture in an area of Honduras where there had been no previous evidence of major indigenous civilization.
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I read the same quote. No idea. Let me work it - gimme a day. I'd like to find out a bit more about it. There's a lot of stuff down there that the archaeo community keeps discovering. If I can find a decent location but nothing else, maybe it can go under the "whats it?" catagory.... more later.
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| Posted 21-09-2006 at 19:23
I knew you like a challenge 
Another one for someone else perhaps (with thanks to Ric):
"Nabta Playa [Nubia / southern Egypt] is currently the oldest known archaeoastronomy site in the world, older than Stonehenge by at least 1000 years".
http://www.planetquest.org/learn/nabta.html
http://www.planetquest.org/learn/nabtamap.html
http://www.comp-archaeology.org/WendorfSAA98.html
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|  Posted 22-09-2006 at 01:35
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Andy - I got nothing here. This one story, in word for word detail, is all that anyone is listing. Oscar Neil the archaeologist cited has some listings associated with Honduran archaeology but nothing else. So, far, all I have is the location of the town 30 miles outside the capital where they have relocated the stone stela. Moroceli Honduras is listed as 14.117 E , -86,867 W. Google Map has no detail and doesn't even confirm the town location, but that location (eyeballing off the CIA's site) looks fairly accurate. I'll put a listing for the standing stone - bare bones.
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Well I tried that and the description could not be submitted. After previewing, I never got a button for posting - it seemed confused when I put in "Other" for country (Honduras is not a choice.) I've confirmed the location of the village of Morocelli, where the stela is now located.
You may wish to post this:
Unknown Stela. Moroceli, Paraiso, Honduras.
Location: 14.117 E, -86.867 W for Moroceli
Sculptured Stone.
A sculptured stone from a previously unknown pre-Columbian culture. The stone has been removed from its original site and can be found in a park in Moroceli. The location given is for the town and is only aproximate for the stela.
"Three feet (1 meter) high and more than 4-1/2 feet (1-1/2 meters) wide, the stela is being displayed in the park of the nearby town of Moroceli, about 30 miles east of the capital of Tegucigalpa."
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| Posted 06-10-2006 at 13:50
...and another one, it would be good to get a general location for the 'Devil's Kitchen area', we don't have the resources to add individual Rock Art sites unless someone wants to help us (or of course they may not want us to, is this catalogue going to be made public?)
Volunteers catalog ancient Utah rock art,
[added - approx location found and site posted - see news items ('Text Pages']
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| Posted 09-10-2006 at 03:02
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...and another one, it would be good to get a general location for the 'Devil's Kitchen area',
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Other petroglyph mapping efforts have been centered near Flowell Utah. But this link actually gives me a more detailed place name to look for. I'll see if I can find it.
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Andy B
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| Posted 09-10-2006 at 13:53
We have coldrum to thank for finding such fascinating news items, I am merely the conduit
As I say, if we kick start with some basic listings, people will hopefully turn up with more local knowledge to add to what little we currently know, that's what's been happening in France and Germany.
I'll look forward to seeing the Chaco Canyon sites plotted, that should be spectacular in Google Earth!
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| Posted 19-10-2006 at 13:56
Does anyone know the location of these?
*Ancient Stonehenge Houses Unearthed*
Nine Neolithic-era buildings have been excavated in the Stonehenge world heritage site, according to a report in the journal British Archaeology.
The structures, which appear to have been homes, date to 2,600-2,500 B.C. and were contemporary with the earliest stone settings at the site's famous megalith. They are the first house-like structures discovered there.
Julian Thomas, who worked on the project and is chair of the archaeology department at Manchester University in England, said Stonehenge could have been a key gathering place at the Neolithic era's version of a housing development.
More: Discovery
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|  Posted 22-10-2006 at 23:50
Location and Site Listing up for Caral the ancient Peruvian City Andy posted the article on. Check out the aerial views - try different ones until yiou get the best detail. Amazing views!
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Andy B
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| Posted 23-10-2006 at 13:31
Thanks for doing the Caral site, amazing stuff. (I haven't deleted my older version of the story article. Quite often I do but that one will still be linked from the e-mail newsletters that got sent out, I've just taken it off the front page)
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(I haven't deleted my older version of the story article. Quite often I do but that one will still be linked from the e-mail newsletters that got sent out, I've just taken it off the front page)
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I wasn't quite sure what you would want done with the article listing, so I left it alone.
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| Posted 30-10-2006 at 13:28
Is this one worth tracking down approximately before we post it bat?
Ancient rock art near Vernal tarnished by recent vandals
Vandals defaced an ancient rock art panel near Vernal sometime in the last 10 days, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management said Thursday.
"They engraved names and dates" across a rock art panel, said Blaine Phillips, a BLM archaeologist. "They pretty well destroyed it."
The panel was one of four examples of the Barrier Canyon-style of rock art found in the Vernal area. Experts believe the rock art dates back several thousand years, though little is known about the early American Indians who created the images. The style includes ghostly-looking human-sized figures with no legs.
"It's not unlike walking into an art gallery and painting your name across a Van Gogh," said State Archaeologist Kevin Jones. "It defaces a piece of our cultural heritage that is irreplaceable."
Phillips said an employee performing a routine check noticed the recent act of vandalism.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_4558590
http://kutv.com/local/local_story_300121200.html
Credit the story find to 'Coldrum'
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| Posted 30-10-2006 at 13:29
Another one from Coldrum
Teen hideout may be archeologically signficant
Skidaway site may hold Native American relics
Teens on Skidaway Island have apparently picked the wrong spot for a hideout, said Russ Wigh, a Skidaway resident and naturalist.
They've built a makeshift tree house above what could be an archeologically important Native American shell mound. Beer cans litter the ground; a spray-painted sign reads, "I rule this island sucker."
"We know kids have always wanted to build hideouts where they could escape with their friends," wrote Wigh on his Web site, http://www.skidaway.net. "Innocent enough, but in this case, instead of a deserted 'island' local teens have likely chosen the wrong spot. To make matters worse, they have left a trail of junk and damaged the marsh as well."
Bob Entorf, an archeologist with the Georgia Historic Preservation Division, said he isn't sure if the state has records of this site. Shell mounds have been documented on Skidaway, but an initial review of those records, from an archeological survey for The Landings development, found none that match the precise location of this mound.
The site could be a shell ring, a rare type of midden that contains some of the earliest pottery in North America, said Mike Russo, a Tallahassee, Fla.-based archeologist with the National Park Service who studies shell rings.
After examining Wigh's photos, he's eager to learn more and wants to map the site with a laser transit to determine its shape.
http://savannahnow.com/node/163726
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| Posted 30-10-2006 at 13:30
and a third!
Proposed reservoir would wash out historical sites
A federal land bill that includes a southern Utah reservoir proposal threatens to submerge some sandstone walls covered with historical rock art.
The Washington County Growth and Conservation Act would transfer land rights around the Ft. Pearce wash from federal land agencies to the Washington County Conservancy District.
Sponsored by U.S. Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah and U.S. Sen. Bill Bennett, R-Utah, is set to be heard by the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee Nov. 16.
If it passes through Congress, the conservancy district has plans to build a reservoir.
"We think there should be a reservoir there - more flood control than perhaps storage," district General Manager Ronald Thompson said. "Exactly where it will be, I don't know."
The reservoir would take water from the Lake Powell pipeline and reduce the flood risk in Apple Valley and Bloomington Hills.
But Chaitna Sinha, an attorney for the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, said that would leave invaluable resources under water. The wash area's rock art includes graffiti from 19th-century pioneers, American Indian petroglyphs and fossilized plants.
"These panels like this, they're really sacred to us," said Glenn Rogers, chairman of the Shivwits Band of the Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah. "It's just
like going into a temple when we view these things."
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_4571290
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| Posted 30-10-2006 at 17:58
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I took a look at this over the weekend when the story broke. There are several rock art sites near Vernal. I've yet to see one specifically mentioned for this site.
Considering that there seems to be a real effort to find the vandals (and plenty of evidence) there may be more news coming on this later. Do you want to wait until I may find something citing a specific location?
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| Posted 30-10-2006 at 18:47
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I'll enter one on this. Found the information and the location. HOWEVER, I'll warn you that dipping into the "rock art" pile is a big job. You scratch the surface and a thousand sites come rushing out. Considering how far I am from Utah - I'm incapable at this time to adequately address such sites - BUT I'll be happy to enter sites piecemeal based on news stories!
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Got it. I'll write one up as Recent Discovery. Perhaps more interesting found the Shell Ring Site mentioned.
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I took a look at this over the weekend when the story broke. There are several rock art sites near Vernal. I've yet to see one specifically mentioned for this site.
Considering that there seems to be a real effort to find the vandals (and plenty of evidence) there may be more news coming on this later. Do you want to wait until I may find something citing a specific location?
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I think we should post the story right now. As the Rock Art Sites discuss this, I ought to be able to get a site listing out of it.
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| Posted 31-10-2006 at 07:19
Hi Andy
If you just had a page listing places you were trying to find a grid location for it would be easier to pop in, pick up a couple and do some research on them rather than trawling through the forum thread.
Could act as a "to do" list. In fact, why not have a "to do" list for everything where you want help from portal users
Just an idea
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