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rbatham
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|  Posted 08-09-2006 at 13:43
while looking at the link for Ukraine pyramids I saw another link to Thornborough Henges. It said the henges were a representation of Orion's belt and older than the pyramids. I accessed multimap and found the henges are not quite a straight line and orientated SE- NW. Then finding Orion in my astro programme about 4000BC it appears that Orion's belt was never more than 16 dgs above the horizon.were parallel to horizon at zenith. Set SW at angle SW-NE. Never were these stars seen at SE-NW. One would think that if the builders inended these henges to represent those stars they would keep to the orientatioon that appeared to them. Any comments? Roy
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| Posted 08-09-2006 at 16:08
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On 2006-09-08 13:43, rbatham wrote:
One would think that if the builders inended these henges to represent those stars they would keep to the orientatioon that appeared to them. Any comments? Roy
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I agree with your argument. If one were building a representation of a star group on the ground, one would assume that bulding it in the same orientation as the star group when both are percieved from a common "view point" would be likely.
Similarly, there have been several sites reported here - most without illustrations - that are reported to be "petroglyphs" in a horizontal "dish" of stone that when filled with water, match the reflection of specific stars. This would only make sense if the "view point" location allowed this event to actually take place. So a photo or diagram of both the stone markings and their orientation to the night sky is required to really determine how likely the connection is. (Plus any changes between the current day and the time period of the original construction.)
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| Posted 08-09-2006 at 19:39
How about these ? They look a pretty good match to Orion's belt. Did the ancients creat these to match Orion ?
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| Posted 08-09-2006 at 20:38
The captain,
How ancient is ancient?
I consider that everything aligns?
If some of that everything is a huge boulder, and it hit mars , it would leave a crater?
If along other alignments great boulders did the same?
Then they may leave a pattern, that pattern would match the alignment they came from?
I have just returned from a trip to France, I found in a cathedral in St Omer the most stunning horological clock.
It had the sun and moon on one set of cogs, and the zodiac set out along other cogs ( will try to find a link to this ) what a strange thing to have in a cathedral ?, I think not.
If I can download the photos I took of the clock , I will show you what was evident to me in my strange way.
Some people in the cathedral called me a Sorcier.
I liked that.I have been called worse?
Kevin
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| Posted 08-09-2006 at 20:46
The clock in St Omer, thornborouh henge will be like cogs in a great clock system?
http://theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/visit/visit-stomer-cathedral.htm
I just typed st omer cathedral, and it brought up this link, that doesnt want to play?
Kevin
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| Posted 10-09-2006 at 01:33
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On 2006-09-08 19:39, TheCaptain wrote:
How about these ? They look a pretty good match to Orion's belt. Did the ancients creat these to match Orion ?
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Since you posted this I have been looking at maps of Mars and the moon. Orion's belt is everywhere. But what struck me was the similarity of some impact craters to the henges all over England and Europe. Could it be that they are not entirely man made? The different sizes and no logical pattern of location could mean that they are 'enhanced' impacts.
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On 2006-09-10 01:33, rbatham wrote:
.... similarity of some impact craters to the henges all over England and Europe. ....
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How are impact craters similar to European henges? Do you find the same elevation changes in henges that are found in impact craters?
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| Posted 11-09-2006 at 13:23
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.... similarity of some impact craters to the henges all over England and Europe. ....
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How are impact craters similar to European henges? Do you find the same elevation changes in henges that are found in impact craters?
[/quote]You have the Great Boulder Meteorite Crater in Arizona. We have the Wolf Creek Crater WA. These are deep bowls and banks obviously caused by a massive meteorite. But many on the Moon and Mars are not deep, from the photos they look like a circular bank where the interior elevation is not much lower than the surrounding area. I think it quite feasible to build a theory on the henges being impact sites. It would solve the problem of WHY? a certain site was chosen. Why are sites in england nearly always circles? other cultures ( Egypt) built squares, rectangles. About 1990 comet Shoemaker- Levy broke apart and smashed into Jupiter. Earth has many comets that intersect it's orbit. Suppose one Like shoemaker entered our atmosphere and disintegrated into a shower of hot meteoriods that splattered on impact but had sufficient energy to create a shallow bank. The local inhabitants then made them sacred sites. raised and smoothed the banks, brought in stones etc. The soil at these sites may still contain some of the comet material. Roy
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How do... Does anyone have a program that can check the locations of the rest of the stars that would make up Orion, (Rigel, Betelgeux etc), if superimposed on the ground? To see if theres anything there.
Just a thought.
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| Posted 12-09-2006 at 07:36
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On 2006-09-12 07:23, BERNARDQUATERMASS wrote:
How do... Does anyone have a program that can check the locations of the rest of the stars that would make up Orion, (Rigel, Betelgeux etc), if superimposed on the ground? To see if theres anything there.
Just a thought.
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I did a check on Orion 4,000-2,000 BC. at zenith the belt lies parallel to the horizon and only 16dgr above, so most other stars south of the belt were never seen. Did a map search for Betelgeuse and Belatrix and found nothing on the ground. that does not mean that there was nothing there in the past, but as the orientation of the henges is all wrong for the belt it is difficult to know where exactly to look.
On impact craters, I have just found a ref to a new one on the moon. Nov 2005 The impact was captured on camera. A meteroid about 1ft dia left a crater 3 mtrs wide but only 0.4 mtrs deep. the object was seen to explode. Since there is no atmosphere to produce heat, it must have been the kinetic energy transformed to heat that caused the explosion. Roy
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On 2006-09-12 07:23, BERNARDQUATERMASS wrote:
How do... Does anyone have a program that can check the locations of the rest of the stars that would make up Orion, (Rigel, Betelgeux etc), if superimposed on the ground? To see if theres anything there.
Just a thought.
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Tiahuanaco - also Tiwanaku - is in the Bolivian Andes lying 12,500 feet (over 2 miles) above sea-level. It is located some 15 miles from the shores of Lake Titicaca. As with many other sacred sites on the planet it remains an enigma allowing reseachers to speculate on its origins and purpose - then paralleling their conclusions with other ancient civilizations - on other major grids points pf the planet - left behind by unknown beings - surviving in time - with great stone markers which bear clues to humanity's creational story. Gods, temples, idols, metaphors - all clues in a puzzle humanity is unraveling at this time of conscious awakening. Tiahuanaco was the capital of the Pre-Inca Civilization. This could be the oldest city in the world, thought by some to be built by an extraterrestrial race who created the Nazca Lines as well. Strangely, Tiahuanacu was a seaport at one time, although the nearest body of water is Lake Titicaca. There are many theories on how this came to be - mostly lined to changes in sea level through the millennia. On the rock cliffs near the piers and warfs of the port area of the ruins are yellow-white calcareous deposits forming long, straight lines indicating pre-historic water levels. These ancient shorelines are strangely tilted, although once they must have been level. The surrounding area is covered with millions of fossilized sea-shells. It appears, from the tilting of the ancient shoreline striations and the abundant presence of fossilized oceanic flora and fauna, that a tremendous uplift of land has taken place sometime in the ancient past. Geologists estimate that this happened roughly around 100 million years ago.
http://www.geometry.net/basic_b/bolivia_culture_page_no_4.php
It is my suggestion that the majority of geologists are blindly misleading us. And others are just bare faced liars.
I’d estimate that a planetary polar switch took place roughly around 13000 years ago. I’d hazard an educated guess that the next one will occur in 2012.
Because the planet will stop spinning for a brief moment it will start to roll. Hudson Bay used to be the North Pole!
I don’t think you’ll find a programme that takes this into account. Who knows where the stars were when the Pyramids were built. The Great Pyramid is far older than you’ve been told, as is Stonehenge and Avebury.
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| Posted 12-09-2006 at 21:37
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Can you give a reference for this? I'd like to read more about it as I've not heard it said before.
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[quote]Because the planet will stop spinning for a brief moment it will start to roll. Hudson Bay used to be the North Pole! |
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Can you give a reference for this? I'd like to read more about it as I've not heard it said before.
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I'm affraid I can't Jim. Like most things I say, it comes straight off the top of my head. Sorry!
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Will we all fall off when the earth stops?
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| Posted 13-09-2006 at 12:23
Another thread hi-jacked by the 'loonies'
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Another thread hi-jacked by the 'loonies'
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Sigh! So true.
Somebody should read about the conservation of angular momentum. It takes a lot of energy to stop something rotating, think of car brakes. Something Sun-sized would be needed to stop the Earth and in the meantime the whole crust would melt and anything loose on the surface would fly off at up to 1,000MPH.
Mind you Joshua is suposed to have done it.
Jim.
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Sigh! So true.
Somebody should read about the conservation of angular momentum. It takes a lot of energy to stop something rotating, think of car brakes. Something Sun-sized would be needed to stop the Earth and in the meantime the whole crust would melt and anything loose on the surface would fly off at up to 1,000MPH.
Mind you Joshua is suposed to have done it.
Jim.
[/quote Iwas going to say that, but what's the point some people haven't got a clue about kinetic energy. As for Joshua? see my thread on Joshua's long day. it was an eclipse of the sun, Roy
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| Posted 13-09-2006 at 14:01
Rbatham,
I actually found all of this thread interesting?
My posting about the clock in St Omer was because it was one of if not the first astronomocal clocks.
It was installed in 1558, and Charles quint the most powerfull man in europe used it for astrological studies , he consulted Gemma frisius , who taught Mercator.
I found it sited in a very precise position in a cathedral, it shows the sun and moon and where they are, and then also shows all the zodiac alignments as they move around.
As for Thornborough henges, I find with my dowsing that everything that I detect is similer to a gearing system in a clock, large cogs drive smaller cogs , the smaller cogs are then found to be on a circuler pathway on the rim of a larger cog, and what comes around has been around before?
What we see in the sky is somewhat a two dimensional picture, in reality the whole universe will be in a globuler arrangement with spirals heading for the centre, exactly what I would detect if I went into each of the henges at Thornborough, I do find this MIRRORED everywhere.
NOBODY that has posted on this thread is a loony.
We are all allowed our own opinions and method of contributing surely?
Kevin
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| Posted 13-09-2006 at 17:18
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No, but the only safe place will be deep underground.
That's if we get through nuclear war tho'.
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On 2006-09-13 14:01, cropredy wrote:
Rbatham,
NOBODY that has posted on this thread is a loony.
We are all allowed our own opinions and method of contributing surely?
Kevin
Quote) Ok , but the thread was about Thornborough henges, then henges in general and stellar alignments. it has nothing to do with clocks or he north pole being in hudson Bay or Lake titicacaor the earth stopping. Why can't people stick to the thread? Roy
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