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rbatham
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|  Posted 28-08-2006 at 04:19
I don't want to be accused of subverting the bluestone thread. I don't want to be a 'bore', Some of you may be interested in astro/ arch .I said on bluestones that I would check for eclipses at SH. I checked from 4713 to 2000BC, only 4 total eclipses in that time. 1 is of interest.
Assume that the builders of SH were accomplished astronomers.
Assume that SH was sited and built on astronomical principles.
Assume that the builders passed knowledge on to the Druids who may or may not have come with the Celts.
On 25th April 3849 BC was a total eclipse magnitude 1.016 .Greatest eclipse was 11:52 am at 52 dgrs N. 0.4 E. Allowing for errors in the programme, that is pretty damn close to SH. This event took place near noon when the sun was highest. Also 3 days after the vernal equinox and in the constellation of Taurus. Tacitus writes that the druids had a festival connected to Taurus, (they probably didn't call it that). the star group must have had some significance. So was the site selected on this basis or even beforehand by prediction of this eclipse? Roy
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| Posted 28-08-2006 at 13:53
Further information. Comparing programmes with friends I find discrepencies about the position. Have obtained a map from Nasa which gives the point of greatest eclipse as 52dg N 1drg 34 W which just happens to be Rollright stones. Take a line from Holbeach near the centre of the Wash, through to Helstone Cornwall. This line passes through Belstone devon (stone circle) Helstone has standing stone Propidnick. near Porlock is Holford standing stone. Does anyone with more local knowledge have time to investigate if more sites are on this line? The width of totality was about 120 miles wide and all the sites like Stone H ,Silbury Hill, Avebury would be in that path. Nine ladies in Derbyshire was at the extreme edge. Roy
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| Posted 28-08-2006 at 14:11
Rbatham,
I would like to talk with you in depth about straight line alignments , but you have put this thread on the stones forum.
If a suitable thread appears over on the sacred sites side of this planet, I would dearly love to work out about some alignments to do with the celestial bodies and ancient sites.
If you work out by way of your software, and I ,in an other way, if we both meet in the middle, well ?
Kevin
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| Posted 29-08-2006 at 22:00
Roy don't think the Rollright co-ordinates are 52degN 1deg 34W - not too far away but enough.
Total eclipse 120miles wide, that covers a huge area, lots of sites.
Rollrights erected around 3,000 bc so nearly 1,000 years after this event anyway.
Cannot remember whether it's this thread or another you mentioned Druids, anyway, they were the Celtic priests and not here before 600bc. Completely different culture - didn't use stone circles. Mithra.
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rbatham
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| Posted 30-08-2006 at 06:31
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On 2006-08-29 22:00, mithra wrote:
Roy don't think the Rollright co-ordinates are 52degN 1deg 34W - not too far away but enough.
Total eclipse 120miles wide, that covers a huge area, lots of sites.
Rollrights erected around 3,000 bc so nearly 1,000 years after this event anyway.
Cannot remember whether it's this thread or another you mentioned Druids, anyway, they were the Celtic priests and not here before 600bc. Completely different culture - didn't use stone circles. Mithra.
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typing error again 52 drg N 1.4 W. Near enough to Rollright. I said the path would cover a lot of sites. The central line of this eclipse passes through many standing stones. if you are interested draw a line on map. 3,000 Bc ? absolutely sure? Astronomical dating could be more accurate tha n carbon. Pyrmamids date now accepted by astro date. Druids 600 Bc ,agree but could have been taught by earlier society, Found another eclipse 3rd Jun 3413 BC. Greatest eclipse about 51.7 N 2.4 W Near to Newnham Glos Path approx SW to NE. goes through Birmingham. Standing stones near Newnham. having a job finding more eclipses. Redshift 5 has a problem, keeps locking up on maps. Roy
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| Posted 30-08-2006 at 08:13
Whilst not wishing to cast nasturtiums upon the idea of sites aligned according to eclipse paths, which I find rather intriguing, if what you're plotting is broadly SW - NE from Cornwall to the Wash its worth looking at a geological map which shows a general tendency for a line of similar rock types on that swathe, together with high land and consequent long distance trackways. Some of the more celebrated "leylines" correspond with this as well as has been pointed out by critics of the more energy-line explanations of the concept.
To this you could add Terence Meaden's idea that cursuses may commemorate tornado paths. They (and most tornados I believe) have a tendency to follow that particular direction (and Britain is said to have more tornados than anywhere, although they're mostly small).
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| Posted 30-08-2006 at 18:40
If a compass bearing could be fixed on google earth, or flashearth, many of these alignments could be traced , or dissproved.
Once this happens, hopefully we will be able to track the alignments around the globe, I think this will be a very exciting time?
As for the cursuses, I have been at the rollrights all afternoon, checking on alignments with cursuses in the front of my mind.
I recently got hold of the archaeological survey undertaken there in the early eighties by the oxford unit , george lambrick.
They surveyed out all around the site, and mention of a ditch in the field between the knights and the circle caught my eye, I can now get into that field as they have harvested the wheat, I suspect a cursus, or two, or three? leading to a henge in the field over the road, in the survey this is shown as an iron age settlement?
I am finding some really exciting alignments around the rollrights, there is much more there than meets the eye, the alignment just off north that runs through this site is really interesting, some refer to this as the belinus line?
Kevin
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| Posted 30-08-2006 at 19:42
If a compass bearing could be fixed on google earth, or flashearth, many of these alignments could be traced , or dissproved.
So what's wrong with a map ?
[ This message was edited by: Salopian on 2006-08-30 19:58 ]
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| Posted 30-08-2006 at 21:37
Salopian,
As I am almost dissappearing under maps, I would say nothing is wrong, apart from the fact that the scale has to diminish when you try to cover a larger area.
This then means that the width of a pencil increases .
Once google and flashearth are capable of fixing on a desired bearing, you will be able to maintain bearings, and be able to zoom in/out rapidly , and cover vast areas without having to constantly align maps or draw lines all over them.
I applaud rbathams work on alignments, as you are only too well aware ,I consider the question of alignments primary to the understanding of the megaliths.
Most people just look at the alignments and appreciate what they see and the consequences , especially regarding our sun.
But the sun is just the closest of many stars/groups of stars?
And their alignment and various types of light will I consider be more important.
Kevin
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rbatham
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| Posted 31-08-2006 at 03:00
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On 2006-08-30 19:42, Salopian wrote:
If a compass bearing could be fixed on google earth, or flashearth, many of these alignments could be traced , or dissproved.
So what's wrong with a map ?
[ This message was edited by: Salopian on 2006-08-30 19:58 ]
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Agreed. the only map of england that I have is in encyclopaedia. having drawn a line on it I then have to go to multimap (magic map doesn't work), find a possible sight, then back to megalith map to see if anything is there. takes ages.
Found a couple of interesting eclipses, a bit before SH though, 4th Jun 4418 BC 5.26 am Azimuth 62 dgs 27' 53" The sun came up then was eclipsed causing a double dawn. again 26th apr 4370 Az 90dgs 47' 49" Wonder what observers mad e of this ?Roy
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rbatham
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On 2006-08-30 21:37, cropredy wrote:
Salopian,
As I am almost dissappearing under maps, I would say nothing is wrong, apart from the fact that the scale has to diminish when you try to cover a larger area.
This then means that the width of a pencil increases .
Once google and flashearth are capable of fixing on a desired bearing, you will be able to maintain bearings, and be able to zoom in/out rapidly , and cover vast areas without having to constantly align maps or draw lines all over them.
I applaud rbathams work on alignments, as you are only too well aware ,I consider the question of alignments primary to the understanding of the megaliths.
Most people just look at the alignments and appreciate what they see and the consequences , especially regarding our sun.
But the sun is just the closest of many stars/groups of stars?
And their alignment and various types of light will I consider be more important.
Kevin
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Thanks Kevin, I don't know whether these lines are important or not. It's just another aspect of possible astro alignments at sites. Looking at other stars, only the brightest like Sirius, or Vega would have any significance. Apart from the slow effect of precession they are fixed. Planets would have more meaning but tracing alignments would be a monumental task. Roy
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