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General Forum >> Anglo-Saxons, Native Britons and Surviving Genes
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mithra
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|  Posted 18-08-2006 at 13:59
On 2006-08-18 04:20, rbatham wrote:
''...The Silures was a name given by the romans to tribes in W Eng ,S wales along with th Ordovicians. How a Silurian cheif came to be buried near Scarborough I don't know. But was the grave pre-celtic?''
Yes, sorry, had wrong hat on at time (geology one instead of tribal!). According to my info they inhabitated S.Wales and their capital was Venta Silvrym (Caerwent, Gwent). Name seems to come from the latin meaning 'people of the rocks' - denoting the area they lived in.
No I don't think that they ended up in Yorkshire, Two Tribes there - The Parisi and the Brigantes. However I think these people are all later than this grave. By artifacts, bronze dagger, flint arrow heads, javlin, I would say that looks to be very early bronze age (about 2,000 BC) long before the Celts arrived in about 600 BC.(during our iron-age).
I think you should post an article on this Roy as I think you've found out something which has been completely lost over here and people should know about it. Also it would be of great interest to many...including myself.
''...however, one couple can produce many in 3 or 4 generations.(don't bring in Fibonacci, please)''
Wouldn't dream of it!! Haven't the time to work this all out but say the original couple had 2 surviving children, each child would then presumably (hopefully!) mate with an outsider - which messes up the blood line to start with. Those 4 people produce in total 4 children who mate with a further 4 outsiders.....and so on. Further down the line the ones higher up will have died, average age presumably a lot lower than it is today. Do not know how long it would take for there to be, say, 1,000 living people and the original bloodline long disappeared into the melting pot.
''The system of government was Patriarchal, leading to clanship. Note the similarity to Scots and Irish. Mac, or Mc- son of.''
Isn't this the same in every culture? Most tribes started as small regional family groups, hence the tribe name. We have surnames like Johnson - which was John's son etc. (There's also the prefix Fitz which denoted that the male child was an acknowledged illegitimate son of a nobleman/royalty i.e. FitzWilliam.)
The word 'clan' originally only applied to the Scottish Highlanders, denotes common ancestor - same as all surnames do. Mithra.
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| Posted 18-08-2006 at 14:11
Thanks Coldrum for links. Interesting that they found DNA which didn't fit. The Anglo-Saxon's seem to be a bit of a sticking point, this is comparatively resent DNA and only in the Y chromosome. Rather looks as if any DNA testing has been too limited to tell us much. Mithra.
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| Posted 19-08-2006 at 03:39
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On 2006-08-18 13:59, mithra wrote:
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I think you should post an article on this Roy as I think you've found out something which has been completely lost over here and people should know about it. Also it would be of great interest to many...including myself.
Silurian epoch- named by Hutton , Lyell, et al because of the rocks found in that area of S, Wales.
Don't Know about a post though, not much info. My history books- 4 thick leather bound vols with Royal crest in gold leaf on front Vol 1 printed 1866 vol 4 1876. covers period 55BC 1872 AD. Main author Edward Farr Esq. (bought by my mother 1950 at jumble sale 1d each)
Apart from what I have already given it continues- Pins of bone and wood were found on the body which had been used to secure the mantle of skin which enveloped the body. fragments of a bone ring and a girdle ornament as welll as a small basket of wicker work, the bottom and sides were of bark stitched together with sinews of animals.
If the tumuls could be identified, there is the chance (slight) that the body was reburied out of respect for the dead. I'll have a look at the area on multimap or magic. You may like to do the same. Re-reading the book. if I find anything else I'll let you know. Roy
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| Posted 19-08-2006 at 03:57
Mithra, Only one tumulus marked on mutimap on cliffs at gristhorpe. may be the one. Roy
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