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Salopian
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|  Posted 03-08-2006 at 10:27
Yes kevin, but what of my questions about how you see OUR role in all this?
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 12:02
I've had enough ridicule over the years.
But not for any alternative ideas.
Strangly enough it is because I have an interest in science. Especialy astronomy and earth sciences.
And my interest in archaeology (before it became fashionable).
I was bullied at school for this as I did'nt conform.
The same people who bullied me though were into such things as UFO's and aliens, leylines and crop circles.
I did'nt believe so I was the odd one.
I'm still considered weird by people because I don't watch TV, I dont like soaps and reality shows and because of my various interests.
Basically I'm not taken seriously by people because I do not conform to what people consider is normal.
These same people are quite happy to believe in alternative theories, crop circles etc.
You would no doubt find that if you wrote a book about your findings it would go down well. Alternative books do.
This is from experience working in a library. Most people would get the books on ufo's, crop circles, ghosts, leylines etc out and not science books.
I'm sure there are a lot of sites and forums that would be open to your theories. Perhaps you could host your own site.
I'm personally interested in the archaeology. I like visiting these places when I can. I have not experienced any odd happenings at such places but can understand why some people do as some of these places are very atmospheric.
Also there are some theories I've come across to do with the effect electromagnetism has on people. This could be an explanation for peoples experiences.
Electromagnetic waves are all around us some from natural sources (the sun, earth's magnetic field ), and artificial (phone masts,pylons).
Natural sources can get very strong, aurora for instance. One strong storm in 1989 knocked out power in Canada and people were reporting that despite there being no power, lights were still coming on and electrical equipment was working.
http://www.spaceweather.gc.ca/historyeffects_e.php
I don't think science has answered everything, there's still things to learn.
Nature has a lot of interesting things up it's sleeve.
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mithra
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 12:39
Coldrum
Good link and something I've had an interest in since seeing the Aurora Borealis in Finland.
I also believe that 'ghosts' are recordings on the Earth's 'magnetic tape' and in the right electromagnetic conditions can be 'seen'. (That's why they are always appear in the same place doing the same thing).
I think it's been proved that extra surges of this electromagnetism can have an effect on the brain?
The Earths magnetism is decreasing, which means that our 'shield' against the sun's electrical radiation is getting weaker.
And our moon is moving steadily away from Earth.
Years ago there was research done into our 'bio-rhythms' and how the moon affected our physical and mental state throughout the month. Mithra.
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Ben_Blackshaw
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 13:35
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On 2006-08-03 09:07, cropredy wrote:
" they used science"
Did they?
That science is what?
Or are you referring to yourself , when you talk of "nutters".
Please define and assign to whom you feel are "nutters" , or are you here just to wind people up?
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What science? - Geometry, physics, astronomy for starters...
By nutters in this case I mean people who are closed-minded and dogmatic in their beliefs and I'm not naming names, I'll leave that up to people to decided themeselves wether they fit that category.
It is very tempting to only see what one wants to see in order to back up personal theories (as scientists do all to well) but in relation to dowsing there is no evidence that it is of any use whatsoever in terms of locating things.
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On 2006-08-03 12:02, coldrum wrote:
Basically I'm not taken seriously by people because I do not conform to what people consider is normal.
These same people are quite happy to believe in alternative theories, crop circles etc.
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I'd rather be in the upper or lower percentiles of a normal distribution any day of the week. As to the normal it's usually boring. It's the stuff that's not normal that excites most interest.
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 18:43
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On 2006-08-02 23:43, Ben_Blackshaw wrote:
The people that built some of these great sites evidently used science to form their creations. It is a pity that some people are so afraid of science in looking at some of their own ideas and in testing their own theories.
If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would suggest that some of these nutters are here just to wind the rest of us up.
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We can't do that if people leave us alone! What's up? All that stone stuff boring you? Been there and done it have you? Read all the books by the experts, taken it all in? Yeah, of course you have, you and all the others. TMA is just the same, full of folk like you. Not an individual amongst them!
Still, onward and upward and less of all that negativity, it stimulates cancer you know!
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 18:53
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On 2006-08-03 14:58, jasonvaughn wrote:
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On 2006-08-03 12:02, coldrum wrote:
Basically I'm not taken seriously by people because I do not conform to what people consider is normal.
These same people are quite happy to believe in alternative theories, crop circles etc.
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I'd rather be in the upper or lower percentiles of a normal distribution any day of the week. As to the normal it's usually boring. It's the stuff that's not normal that excites most interest.
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You said it matey!
Too bloody scared to step outside the safety zone. "It might be bloody boring but at least I'm accepted". What a mentality, no different to a sheep!
Be brave I say, step outside the box. You'll never want to climb back in again that's for sure.
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 20:48
On 2006-08-03 18:53, flatcap wrote:
''Be brave I say, step outside the box. You'll never want to climb back in again that's for sure.''
What step out of the box over the cliff into Never-Never land....a place which doesn't exist?!
The human imagination is truly amazing, but it's just that, imaginary! Mithra.
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On 2006-08-03 20:48, mithra wrote:
On 2006-08-03 18:53, flatcap wrote:
''Be brave I say, step outside the box. You'll never want to climb back in again that's for sure.''
The human imagination is truly amazing, but it's just that, imaginary! Mithra.
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I doubt you even realize how profound that statement is! Bet you never thought you would agree with me on such matters. 
[ This message was edited by: flatcap on 2006-08-03 21:38 ]
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 22:44
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On 2006-08-03 21:37, flatcap wrote:
''I doubt you even realize how profound that statement is! Bet you never thought you would agree with me on such matters.''
Woops! Perhaps one lager too many! Mithra
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| Posted 03-08-2006 at 23:55
I believe many things, some I share with other people, some are my own but its individual thought that shapes us all.
Its up to each person to follow what they believe and try to enrich their lives with what they discover.
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| Posted 04-08-2006 at 00:24
We can't do that if people leave us alone! What's up? All that stone stuff boring you? Been there and done it have you? Read all the books by the experts, taken it all in? Yeah, of course you have, you and all the others. TMA is just the same, full of folk like you. Not an individual amongst them!
Still, onward and upward and less of all that negativity, it stimulates cancer you know!
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I'm not sure what your point is Flatcap, but as for finding the stones boring, on the contrary I find them endlessly fascinating in their own right without finding it necesary to 'interpret' them.
It seems people have difficulty accepting the stones for what they are and feel it necesary to use them to support personal beliefs and all manner of ideas that come to mind.
Is it not you that finds the stones boring, finding it necesary to introduce lizards and god knows what?
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| Posted 04-08-2006 at 01:24
Couldnt agree more Ben. Most people DO accept the stones for what they are, and do not attempt to add bizarre theories or "interpretations" to them. Its just that this doesnt make good press, or sell books, and that there are a very few people out there who feel they have to say vastly more than anyone else, and impose their views on the rest of society.
Its the same sort of thing as football hooligans, always making news in the papers and TV, yet a small minority that the majority would rather be without. And the daft cult of celebrity, which fills up endless newspaper colums and TV hours.
I personally am trying to invent some bizarre interpretation to things, in order to perhaps get people remotely interested in a book I would like to produce. Absolutely no interest in ordinary run of the mill stuff. But space aliens, the end of the world, lines across the country, life death and sex, unseen energies etc etc have all been done before.
But it all adds to lifes colourful tapestry, and I think we would be less well off without all these "alternative" ideas to stimulate and amuse us. What else would we have to talk about ?
And now why am I breaking my own, and the portals, rules by making a posting like this here, which is patently nothing to do with Arbor Low ? 
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| Posted 04-08-2006 at 17:58
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On 2006-08-04 01:24, TheCaptain wrote:
Couldnt agree more Ben. Most people DO accept the stones for what they are, and do not attempt to add bizarre theories or "interpretations" to them. Its just that this doesnt make good press, or sell books, and that there are a very few people out there who feel they have to say vastly more than anyone else, and impose their views on the rest of society.
Its the same sort of thing as football hooligans, always making news in the papers and TV, yet a small minority that the majority would rather be without. And the daft cult of celebrity, which fills up endless newspaper colums and TV hours.
I personally am trying to invent some bizarre interpretation to things, in order to perhaps get people remotely interested in a book I would like to produce. Absolutely no interest in ordinary run of the mill stuff. But space aliens, the end of the world, lines across the country, life death and sex, unseen energies etc etc have all been done before.
But it all adds to lifes colourful tapestry, and I think we would be less well off without all these "alternative" ideas to stimulate and amuse us. What else would we have to talk about ?
And now why am I breaking my own, and the portals, rules by making a posting like this here, which is patently nothing to do with Arbor Low ?
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Arbor Low, Avebury, Stonehenge, the lot! Take them down. Hardly off topic on any of the Portal forums.
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| Posted 04-08-2006 at 18:08
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On 2006-08-04 00:24, Ben_Blackshaw wrote:
We can't do that if people leave us alone! What's up? All that stone stuff boring you? Been there and done it have you? Read all the books by the experts, taken it all in? Yeah, of course you have, you and all the others. TMA is just the same, full of folk like you. Not an individual amongst them!
Still, onward and upward and less of all that negativity, it stimulates cancer you know!
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I'm not sure what your point is Flatcap, but as for finding the stones boring, on the contrary I find them endlessly fascinating in their own right without finding it necesary to 'interpret' them.
It seems people have difficulty accepting the stones for what they are and feel it necesary to use them to support personal beliefs and all manner of ideas that come to mind.
Is it not you that finds the stones boring, finding it necesary to introduce lizards and god knows what?
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Far from boring. I spend ALL my spare time amongst the stones. I have three experiments ongoing at the moment, all designed to rattle the Trilathons at Stonehenge. Not to worry tho' I'm just some sad, egotistical liar with nowt else going on in my shitty little life. 
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| Posted 04-08-2006 at 19:38
On 2006-08-04 18:08, flatcap wrote:
''Far from boring. I spend ALL my spare time amongst the stones. I have three experiments ongoing at the moment, all designed to rattle the Trilathons at Stonehenge. Not to worry tho' I'm just some sad, egotistical liar with nowt else going on in my shitty little life.''
Glad to see you recognize those salient points, but you forgot to add 'sick' to your little list. Pulling down 5,000 year old sites? If they bother you then ignore them! Other than that go see a shrink.
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Salopian
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| Posted 04-08-2006 at 20:35
"Pulling down 5,000 year old sites? If they bother you then ignore them! Other than that go see a shrink."
Of course, alternatively, the penalty for rattling the Trilithons in an unlimited fine and two years in prison, where the shrink comes free...
I suspect the authorities would have a sense of humour and Mike would find himself explaining his theories to a violent, Jewish, Masonic conservationist cell mate.
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jasonvaughn
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| Posted 07-08-2006 at 10:26
Yeah Flatcap what have you got against them stones? them stones them dry stones?
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| Posted 07-08-2006 at 10:27
Plus what's the deal with the swastika? Don't you think some people might find it a tad offensive?
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| Posted 07-08-2006 at 15:03
jasonvaughn,
I have a book in front of me on islam,
there is a picture of the Karatay Madrasah, in Konya in Turkey.
This was built by the grand vizir of Kay Kaus 11 in 1251.
The enterance portal is richly carved with swastikas.
They viewed the swastika as anything other than offensive.
You musn't let an evil miss representation of something blur its true meaning.
I have found flatcap to be nothing but pure and wanting to help others, his delivery, of this would earn him an honoury degree in Yorkshire bluntness at times, but I believe He is true to himself and his belief , and he understands the swastikas real power.
Kevin
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