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On 2006-08-09 13:01, Ben_Blackshaw wrote:
Its about time the swastika was reclaimed from nazis and jews. Someone should do a swastika line in clothing. I wonder who would be brave enough to be the first to start wearing it though. 
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I already do Ben, and a nice one hangs around my neck.
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On 2006-08-09 10:15, jasonvaughn wrote:
Mike (Flatcap) - sorry to suggest that you discriminate against anybody, it's just that you're a difficult guy to get a handle on. I found your website interesting. Did you know that the Carew cross in S wales (approx 1000 years old) has swastika type designs on it?
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No I didn't Jason, thanks! Any good pics?
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| Posted 09-08-2006 at 21:20
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On 2006-08-09 13:28, jasonvaughn wrote:
The thing is Ben that a lot of people (and not just jews) still find the public display of a swastika offensive and in Germany it is in all likelihood still illegal. I'm not a jew but how would you feel if you'd lost relatives in the holocaust and then saw someone wearing a tee shirt with a swastika on it?
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I'd reserve judgement until I 'd asked! I see many folk staring at my Gold Swastika around my neck. They look me up and down and in no time at all we're talking ancient history. No one I have ever met has walked away with the view that I'm a nazi.
Always best to ask than make some wild assumption.
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On 2006-08-09 19:49, Salopian wrote:
"If there are still people that think the swastika is only a nazi symbol they should be educated"
How ruddy patronising to all those millions still alive who were directly affected by it and view it with utter horror and revulsion. Too old to have their feelings respected I suppose. Someone has to be inconvenienced - better them than Mike?
"All the more reason to get the swastika away from its nazi associations, take away the taboo surrounding it and use it in more positive ways."
WHY? It's only a symbol. Why can't a symbol that's irredemably tainted with evil be replaced with another that's not? The Ban the Bomb one or one of many others? Why the need to drag it up and try to reinstate it as if its more than a symbol? How can it have an actual USE and how can it be used "in more positive ways"?
Only one way has ever been suggested. To affect the energy lines and prevent the lizards getting us!
Please! And for that we have to revive it????
No thanks.
Cue Mike and Cropredy to say Mike's beliefs are utterely sincerely held. I don't doubt it for a second.
Those who still go into fits of shaking whenever they see a swastika are ALSO rather sincere.
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Nige', like ALL ancient symbols the Swastika is like a 'magnet', each symbol has its own unique frequency.
The Swastika is the oldest know expression of the 'Divine', god if you like. Try wearing one and feel your body react. Turn it over and notice the changes within your chackras. Learn to balance your energies and heal yourself.
mike
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"The design", of one of the stone carvings from Rowtor Rocks, Derbyshire, "is reminiscent of a plan of the flattened stone circle at Arbor Low."
(p.26) "Ancient Rock Carvings from Great Britain and Ireland", Chris Maxwell.
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The site's page on -- Rowtor Rocks
If I rotate it right I can kinda see it. And on the petroglyph, the strongest line segment would run to the Northwest. Twenty Trees made note of this direction in a post on page 3. This, towards the summer sunset, isn't the way it ususally goes to my mind; but there may be, as 20T said, other features: the Bull Ring, 5 Wells...
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| Posted 09-08-2006 at 22:26
"I see your point, about the swastika offending those who have been affected by the nazi's, but you can't stop use of swastika's because a political party used them for a short period of histroy.
Ummm, well they managed it in many countries.
Depending upon context, displaying it is illegal in Germany and Austria of course, but also in Poland, Chez Republic, Hungary and France - I wonder what they have in common?!
Not that I'm calling for a ban here. It's precious to British Hindus. But they are decent people and don't flaunt it to the distress of others. That's all that's required. It wasn't Hindus that took a 400 square foot purple one round Avebury was it? It was someone who is so sure he's right that he utterly disregards the possibility he's causing any offence. He's wrong. There ARE no bloody lizards and he DOES.
"It can continue to be used in art, culture and religion and then some of its negative conotations can be eroded."
Great. Tell it to the elderly Poles I know.
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On 2006-08-09 22:26, Salopian wrote:
"I see your point, about the swastika offending those who have been affected by the nazi's, but you can't stop use of swastika's because a political party used them for a short period of histroy.
Ummm, well they managed it in many countries.
Depending upon context, displaying it is illegal in Germany and Austria of course, but also in Poland, Chez Republic, Hungary and France - I wonder what they have in common?!
Not that I'm calling for a ban here. It's precious to British Hindus. But they are decent people and don't flaunt it to the distress of others. That's all that's required. It wasn't Hindus that took a 400 square foot purple one round Avebury was it? It was someone who is so sure he's right that he utterly disregards the possibility he's causing any offence. He's wrong. There ARE no bloody lizards and he DOES.
"It can continue to be used in art, culture and religion and then some of its negative conotations can be eroded."
Great. Tell it to the elderly Poles I know.
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There are increasing numbers of REAL nazis around the world preparing, (as I write this) to carry on the work of their beloved Fuhrer. I can think of no
better time to reclaim their most powerful ally!
Wake up man!
For someone who claims to have seen my Avebury swastika, I must again ask that you refrain from telling lies about me. My Swastika was made of wood Nige', and FOUR HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. I didn't parade it around any where! It layed flat on the gound for the duration. Of course you knew that, you were there! Surely you've got enough on me without having to lie.
mike
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| Posted 09-08-2006 at 23:13
To avoid any possibility of you feeling hard done by I am happy to withdraw anything i said you said that you didn't. So far as the jewish thing goes that was a mistake which you yourself contributed to - urging people to read david Ickes stuff - as it would explain how your swastika stuff fitted in. It was he of course that had the Jews as part of the conspiracy. Is it you or just he that thinks the Royal Family and the masons are in on it? I forget.
I'm sure you're right though, whatever you said. You strike me as a very nice, well-meaning sincere chap who would never do anything to upset people. You must be. Cropredy says so.
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| Posted 09-08-2006 at 23:37
Salopian,
Flatcap is a Yorkshire beer that has a good head on it, and never upsets anyone, unless you have too much of it?
Kevin
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On 2006-08-09 23:13, Salopian wrote:
To avoid any possibility of you feeling hard done by I am happy to withdraw anything i said you said that you didn't. So far as the jewish thing goes that was a mistake which you yourself contributed to - urging people to read david Ickes stuff - as it would explain how your swastika stuff fitted in. It was he of course that had the Jews as part of the conspiracy. Is it you or just he that thinks the Royal Family and the masons are in on it? I forget.
I'm sure you're right though, whatever you said. You strike me as a very nice, well-meaning sincere chap who would never do anything to upset people. You must be. Cropredy says so.
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You can include your numerous accounts of site desecration there too, something else I've constantly denied.
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| Posted 10-08-2006 at 07:58
"You can include your numerous accounts of site desecration there too, something else I've constantly denied."
Personally, i don't recall saying you do anything that you haven't yourself said you do. Perhaps now would be a good time for you to clarify exactly what you do and what you don't and what you think is acceptable. For instance, have you left things at sites or buried crystals at them? Do you approve of the actions of the person that chalks backwards swastikas on the stones at your local site, Nine Stones, or not? Here are just the latest instances that I know of -
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/43239
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/43238
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/46709
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| Posted 10-08-2006 at 09:07
Salopian,
As this thread is about arbor low?
On a recent visit there, I noted two distinct centres of alignments in the centre area of the flattened stones, each of these two spots have a multitude of detectable parallel sets of lines predominately on a near east/west, north/south compass bearing alignment.
Along with many other sets of parallel lines detectable at these two spots, two predominant symbols are achievable if you draw out the resultant geometric drawings that all these lines give you.
The most striking one is a celtic cross arrangement radiating outwards at each polygon also formed by the lines.
If you draw out the two centres and the celtic cross , and then simplify the two and cut out all the other lines, you will find the central symbol that is most striking will be two swastika type arrangements.
For flatcap to have laid this out in the very spot it is happening is the actions of someone who is at one with what is there.
Using chalk, especially chalk, to lift this up onto a specific spot on a specific stone, will in my opinion have been one of the basic functions undertaken at stone circles, basically people will have had a thorough knowledge of how to influence a natural phenonoman that occurs where the stones have been placed.
At arbor low, the stones have been pushed over, or fallen over?
This could well have been done quite deliberately,and possibly because percieved problems were occuring around them to people who had no idea how to handle the affect of the stones raising the available very subtle flow of plasma to very high concentrations? Or it may have been over zealous religious fanatics that thought they were the devils work?
I have good reason to believe that by rubbing chalk onto specific parts of the stones, and possibly incorperating symbols and pictures into this , that the flow and diretion of the plasma flows could be diverted to a number of different barrows arranged around the henge.
This is due to the chirality differentials occuring in different types of materials, they have an ability to alter the path of light passing through them.
The light I discuss is not visable to our eyes, but is detectable by those that have a raised ability.
Don't be so fast to condem what you perhaps can't percieve, please.
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| Posted 10-08-2006 at 09:27
Don't be so fast to condem what you perhaps can't percieve, please.
Kevin,
Kevin, if you're defending the leaving of stuff at sites you're at odds with most people who have voted in the current poll, so grumble at them, not me.
If your mention of the benefits of rubbing chalk on ancient stones is a defence of it then again, don't talk to me, talk to English Nature about the damage to ancient lichens - or indeed to English Heritage and the police since its illegal.
I'm afraid i've lost patience since you refused to prove what you say in a verifiable way and haven't mentioned finding the recently discovered Avenue at Arbor Low. I don't say you're wrong or insincere, merely that I have difficulty following you on your journey. Best of luck with it though and I actually hope you prove everything you believe one day. When you do I'll be back to sincerely congratulate you upon being right all along!
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| Posted 10-08-2006 at 10:22
Salopian,
My visit to arbor low was somewhat restricted, I was by my standerds penned into the henge, waiting for others to appear, normally I would just quite litterally have gone with the flow.
I did walk off somewhat with david hey and discuss about a strong flow heading south along an embankment, and that i considered that a barrow was sitedalong it, it arried on and looked to go around the back of gib hill.
I was hoping others would turn up that knew the geography better than me, then I would have mapped the place out, after two and half hours waiting I was to say the least pissed off.
I did find at arbor low exactly what I expected, and I consider that the embankments will lead to a cursus arrangement , as IMO, the place was simply built to manipulate the flow of plasma to desired spots in a concentrated fashion.
I consider this was done by a race who knew how to do this with ease, and that they had a clear understanding to them of how life and death occured on this planet, and that all the constructions were a part of life and death.
They percieved in my opinion in death that we become part of the light again, and they wanted to return to their loved ones as much as possible instead of been scattered about in all directions.
By carefull construction and manipulation of the flow of light that they percieved as the carrier of all living things, they were able to ensure the passage of the deceased life flow into a very precise position in the barrow, and then once a month, because of the influence of the moon, the whole system turns around for seven minuts, at this point they will have all aligned along the cursus to allow te light and life force to enter and rejoin them, I believe they almost celebrated death, not like today where we live in fear.
They will not have feared death in the least, and just accepted it as part of the ongoing never ending process of creation.
This does not mean I believe this totally, but I am coming around to an understanding of how they thought and thus why they built the sites.
Proof will follow , but not all at once, from little acorns grow mighty oaks ( ask yourself HOW?)
Kevin
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On 2006-08-10 12:57, Ben_Blackshaw wrote:
RE: The Swastika
I've revised my opinion, I can see both sides of the arguments so I'm sitting on the fence on this one.
It is a beautiful symbol though.
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Hi Ben, I can't find the words to express what I feel when I see the Swastika. To work with it is quite an experience!
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| Posted 10-08-2006 at 18:42
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On 2006-08-10 07:58, Salopian wrote:
"You can include your numerous accounts of site desecration there too, something else I've constantly denied."
Personally, i don't recall saying you do anything that you haven't yourself said you do. Perhaps now would be a good time for you to clarify exactly what you do and what you don't and what you think is acceptable. For instance, have you left things at sites or buried crystals at them?]
Yes Nige', as you know, I have Crystals buried at Avebury, Stonehenge and at my own Circle. ALL come fron one large piece.
[Do you approve of the actions of the person that chalks backwards swastikas on the stones at your local site, Nine Stones, or not?]
I'd have to talk that person before I could answer that Nigel but, it looks pretty harmless to me. It's still visible even now and I like it very much.
[Here are just the latest instances that I know of -
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/43239
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/43238]
The Swastika on the ground is mine and I don't recall the white blob on the stone.
[http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/46709]
Have you not read the response to Jamie Stones posting? http://www.heritageaction.org/?page=theheritagejournal&id=144
Anything else bothering you Nigel?
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| Posted 10-08-2006 at 20:40
"Anything else bothering you Nigel?"
No.
We've now got as much of the truth as we're ever likely to I suspect. Nevertheless, I'm particularly gratified that you have now publicly demonstrated that your attitude to the act of chalking on protected scheduled monuments is less than condemnatory.
That's absolutely all the megalithic community needed to know about you. I'm glad it now does.
Goodbye Mike.
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On 2006-08-10 20:40, Salopian wrote:
''That's absolutely all the megalithic community needed to know about you. I'm glad it now does.''
Quite! What atrocious behaviour! I suppose the lizard use to draw on walls as a baby and now, as a child, does this. Pathetic and vile attention seeking!
And it's bye-bye from me too. Mithra.
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| Posted 10-08-2006 at 21:18
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On 2006-08-10 20:40, Salopian wrote:
"Anything else bothering you Nigel?"
No.
We've now got as much of the truth as we're ever likely to I suspect. Nevertheless, I'm particularly gratified that you have now publicly demonstrated that your attitude to the act of chalking on protected scheduled monuments is less than condemnatory.
That's absolutely all the megalithic community needed to know about you. I'm glad it now does.
Goodbye Mike.
That's all 'they' may have needed to know Nigel, but they've learnt a hell of a lot more, as have you.
I too am a part of your little community, I'd suggest you start to recognize and accept that fact. Them there stones be mine too you know.
Take it easy my friend
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On 2006-08-10 21:03, mithra wrote:
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On 2006-08-10 20:40, Salopian wrote:
''That's absolutely all the megalithic community needed to know about you. I'm glad it now does.''
Quite! What atrocious behaviour! I suppose the lizard use to draw on walls as a baby and now, as a child, does this. Pathetic and vile attention seeking!
And it's bye-bye from me too. Mithra.
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Can you read? Is English your first language?
Behaviour? Nigel was refering to my ATTITUDE not my behaviour.
Give me strength! Please, do go away.
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