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coldrum
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|  Posted 07-06-2006 at 13:25
FOR decades, researchers have been baffled by the intricate bronze mechanism of wheels and dials created 80 years before the birth of Christ.
The "Antikythera Mechanism" was discovered damaged and fragmented on the wreck of a cargo ship off the tiny Greek island of Antikythera in 1900.
Now, a joint British-Greek research team has found a hidden ancient Greek inscription on the device, which it thinks could unlock the mystery.
The team believes the Antikythera Mechanism may be the world's oldest computer, used by the Greeks to predict the motion of the planets.
The researchers say the device indicates a technical sophistication that would not be replicated for millennia and
may also be based on principles of a heliocentric, or sun-centred, universe - a view of the cosmos that was not accepted by astronomers until the Renaissance.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=838112006
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 07:43
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On 2006-06-07 13:25, coldrum wrote:
FOR decades, researchers have been baffled by the intricate bronze mechanism of wheels and dials created 80 years before the birth of Christ.
The "Antikythera Mechanism" was discovered damaged and fragmented on the wreck of a cargo ship off the tiny Greek island of Antikythera in 1900.
Now, a joint British-Greek research team has found a hidden ancient Greek inscription on the device, which it thinks could unlock the mystery.
The team believes the Antikythera Mechanism may be the world's oldest computer, used by the Greeks to predict the motion of the planets.
The researchers say the device indicates a technical sophistication that would not be replicated for millennia and
may also be based on principles of a heliocentric, or sun-centred, universe - a view of the cosmos that was not accepted by astronomers until the Renaissance.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=838112006
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A lot has been written about this mechanism an reconstructions have been made to identify it's purpose. I beleive the ancient greek astronomers knew of the heliocentric system. Aristarchus (I think) first measured the size of the round Earth very accurately. and the distance of the moon. Unfortunately his and other works were lost for centuries and we have Ptolemy and the Roman church to thank for the geocentric system until Copernicus proved it to be wrong. One old history book that I have suggests that the ancient greek got their Knowledge from the Celts and Druids of northern Europe long before Alexander the great conquered Egypt. Pythagorus may have got his geometry from them as well as his beleif in metempsychosis or transmigration of the soul. Roy
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 15:31
Have read the Scotsman article and all the comments but one thing is missing - they dont tell you what the recently discovered inscription was!
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 16:11
Expatpete, I would assume that a TV program will be been made about this device, so if they do know what the inscriptions say , they will probably keep that for the program?
It may be fun to add what you feel it will say ?
I feel it may say :-
" beware of lizards , when planets align in 2012 "
Kevin
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| Posted 09-06-2006 at 04:04
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On 2006-06-08 16:11, cropredy wrote:
Expatpete, I would assume that a TV program will be been made about this device, so if they do know what the inscriptions say , they will probably keep that for the program?
It may be fun to add what you feel it will say ?
I feel it may say :-
" beware of lizards , when planets align in 2012 "
Kevin
Nice idea
For starters how about
Contains small parts - unsuitable for children below 6 years
or even the obvious
Made in Taiwan!l
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| Posted 09-06-2006 at 09:41
Coldrum, I am sure that the investigations into this device will show that previous generations from milleniums past have realised that we are part of a clockwork system.
That this clock system is aligned to mathmatical sequences and rules (1.618, .618, fibonacci )
That the clock gearing aligns on a repeatable sequence aligned to these rules.
That percievable alterations occur at these times of mathmatically workable dates.
Here's one mans workings out of just the earth, moon, sun,
http://www.cursuswalker.co.uk/metonic
All the other planets will follow the same rules, the universe will follow the same rules, add infirnitum.
There are detectable sets of lines around this globe that are aligned to all of these extremes of the planetry systems, these lines are part of this system.
these lines are part of gravity , and when the clock ticks into a predictable position, gravity will be altered for a short period of time.
On the smallest scale of this planetry motions, once a month, this alteration in gravity is percievable as the tides, I can percieve of it in another way.
Standstill, then for seven minutes a complete reversal of direction of flow along the lines, then standstill, then back to normal.
Because all of this clock system is predictable and workable out, is why so many people are concerned about 2012, including me.
Nobody can stop this event occuring, but we should learn from the past, and prepare as best as possible.
If you visualise all of this as a clock, imagine it about to strike on the hour, and cause a bit of a shock wave.
Kevin
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| Posted 09-06-2006 at 09:50
I don't know where all those little stars came from ?
But they seem quite ap't.
Everything including the stars are made from the exact same system.
All the great civilizations have recognised this , and tried to replicate it as best as possible in their stone structures, forget all about religious mumbo jumbo, and look at the maths, sacred geometry leads you back to stonhenge, it is so simple that we can't SEE it.
All is one, we are all one, the same.
Kevin
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| Posted 09-06-2006 at 10:16
To simplify all I keep waffling on about , do yourselves the biggest favour you can ever do and learn to understand the king.
FIBONACCI
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/personal/r.knott/fibonacci/fibnat.html
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| Posted 09-06-2006 at 11:45
had a look. What's this 'Metonic Cycle' business. The 18.61 cycle has been Known for thousands of years, The Babylonians knew of it. It is known as the 'SAROS' and is still called that , see the NASA eclipse pages. Roy 
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| Posted 09-06-2006 at 14:32
Rbatham,
I think you will find many past cultures knew of the metonic cycle , and much much more.
If you really get fibonacci in your head, and then watch all of nature, you will begin to realise how literally everything fits into this sequence.
It isn't easy and maths tends to be boring, but not when it really means so much, and allows a better understanding of all that is involved with these ancient sites all around the globe.
Many get angry at me going on about dowsing, but , the system that is detectable measures in every way to the fibonacci sequence and 1.618,.618.
I was pushed to find the measurements of what I detect by Nigelswift over on the other side of the rainbow.
He quite rightly demanded something more positive than just speculation, I am indebted to him for pushing in this way, it shows the internet at its best, when opposite opinions clash, head to head, and find answers.
I do hope our little clash's haven't left him with a hole in his head, or feeling sore ?
I knew nothing of sacred geometry before been interested in megaliths, and all the measurements I found , I found before understanding fibonacci, so I haven't just made them up, they exist, I KNOW they exist, you can measure out to perfection using the lines, and they are alignrd to many solar max/min alignments, and GPS satalites will help me prove this, by pinpointing the exact position of so many ancient sites both here in the UK, and all around the globe, then when the penny drops with stonedheads, and I did spell that correctly, they will have to ask the starman for some answers, luckily he has the answers.
Kevin
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| Posted 10-06-2006 at 09:42
Hi, I've just caught up with this and going ba***** a bit, it was actually Eratosthenes who used some assumptions, some measurements and geometry to calculate a value for the diameter of the spherical earth. Read about it at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
How accurate he was depends on the size of his units of length! Good method though.
For some reason it is "general knowledge" that "everyone thought the earth was flat" until the Renaissance, or Christopher Columbus times. In my science lessons that I teach to Year 8s they are often quite surprised when they find out that the Ancient Greeks (over 2000 years ago) had some idea that the Earth was spherical.
Aristarchus did some "modern" astronomy too, including using a lunar eclipse to work out the relative sizes of earth and moon. Read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
Jim
PS While I'm on Wikipedia, theres plenty of information and links from their Antikythera Mechanism page, if you're interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_Mechanism
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| Posted 10-06-2006 at 12:25
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It isn't easy and maths tends to be boring, but not when it really means so much, and allows a better understanding of all that is involved with these ancient sites all around the globe.
Many get angry at me going on about dowsing, but , the system that is detectable measures in every way to the fibonacci sequence and 1.618,.618.
Kevin, my little pommie sunflower seed. Maths isn't boring, it' beautiful, from simple arithmetic to differential calculus. Without maths there would be no space age. There would be no pyramids or stonehenge. But I don't understand your obsession with Fibonacci. The series adds the previous two numbers and as it proceeds it approaches the ratio of 1.861 to 1. It is applied to animal reproduction and population. The embryonic sunflower bud follows the series. As for sacred geometry, I only know of the greek golden rectangle that has the same ratio. I can't see how you apply it to stone circles.  Hey, as I write I'm watching TV, theres some of our aborigines dancing around Stonehenge. Now there's a mix of cultures for you. Roy
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On 2006-06-10 09:42, JimChampion wrote:
Hi, I've just caught up with this and going ba***** a bit, it was actually Eratosthenes who used some assumptions, some measurements and geometry to calculate a value for the diameter of the spherical earth. Read about it at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
How accurate he was depends on the size of his units of length! Good method though.
For some reason it is "general knowledge" that "everyone thought the earth was flat" until the Renaissance, or Christopher Columbus times. In my science lessons that I teach to Year 8s they are often quite surprised when they find out that the Ancient Greeks (over 2000 years ago) had some idea that the Earth was spherical.
Aristarchus did some "modern" astronomy too, including using a lunar eclipse to work out the relative sizes of earth and moon. Read about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristarchus_of_Samos
Jim
PS While I'm on Wikipedia, theres plenty of information and links from their Antikythera Mechanism page, if you're interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_Mechanism
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Thanks for the links and the correction. I've come across so many Greeks in the sciences and I get them mixed up occasionally.Roy 
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Rbatham, thanks for the compliment, refering to me as a sunflower, actually we all are?
Bit fed up of going over the same ground, but as I have a great deal of sympathy towards our colonial friends.
Because I can DOWSE so F****** well, I have been able to measure what I dowse, not only that, I can follow ( as can your aborigonal chaps ) with ease what flows upon the measurable lines system, PLASMA.
Nobody in past times had any idea about what we now take for granted.
Thats where all the religious mumbo jumbo comes from.
Where all mythology has been born.
PLASMA.
It creates everything, EVERYTHING.
Al is created to the same sequence, Fibonacci sequence, don't worry about the measurements, think the sequence ( but inchs are a perfect fit ? )
EVERYTHING, includes the planets and their moons that are visable to our retina.
As the lines I detect match these planets , at their max/min positions throughout the year, it is F****** simple to build a stone circle to exactly align to them day/night, without having to be able to see them with our retina.
They arrive here, the nine lines to each line that I detect ( see the nine gods of the Egyptians coming from the one god RE ) and travelling along them as if on a chariot with wings is PLASMA.
To understand the above forget the ballocks you have been brainwashed with.
Study , walter russell, willhelm reich, and the king, fibonacci, and as the dawning of the age of Aquarious pours down on us, viktor schauberger.
Kevin
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On 2006-06-10 12:25, rbatham wrote:
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...it approaches the ratio of 1.861 to 1. It is applied to animal reproduction and population.
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Do not understand how this works/applies. My cat gave birth to 6 kittens, my labrador bitch had 9 puppies and one of my hens has just hatched 5 eggs. All are capable of this rate of reproduction more than once a year every year. As for human reproduction that has been altered by birth control methods and choice in many countries. Without it, I'm sure by now, I would've had about 20 kids! 
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Corn, Can't manage labradors , but rabbits yes.
http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/personal/r.knott/fibonacci/fibnat.html
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On 2006-06-10 20:18, cropredy wrote:To understand the above forget the ballocks you have been brainwashed with. |
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Ummm, are we to take on board that if we don't share all YOUR views we're simply wrong?
Is there the least chance that it is YOU that is wrong?
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| Posted 12-06-2006 at 18:02
Hi Cropredy. Read above think there's lots of 'holes' in this Fibonacci sequence! For starters rabbits usually have more than one 'pair'(ie.1 male,1 female) in their litters, (two or even three.) Cows, like sheep, often give birth to twins. I picked two daisies one had 49 petals the other 51 (34,55 or 89 were mentioned)!
How can anyone say 'It shows that the farther back in time we go the more people there must have been.......so the population of the world must be getting smaller' ????? What a insult to everyones knowledge and intelligence! Sorry but
I think bulls produce better stuff than this! 
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| Posted 12-06-2006 at 18:18
Doesn't sound very realistic.
For a start rabbit litters can be any number.And the ratio of male and females can be any number too.
Over the years Our rabbits have had litters from 2 up to 8,some with males out numbering the females and vice versa and on occassion equal numbers.
Maths has never been my thing.
I'll have to ask a few friends who do.
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Hi Cropredy. Read above think there's lots of 'holes' in this Fibonacci sequence! For starters rabbits usually have more than one 'pair'(ie.1 male,1 female) in their litters, (two or even three.) Cows, like sheep, often give birth to twins. I picked two daisies one had 49 petals the other 51 (34,55 or 89 were mentioned)!
How can anyone say 'It shows that the farther back in time we go the more people there must have been.......so the population of the world must be getting smaller' ????? What a insult to everyones knowledge and intelligence! Sorry but
I think bulls produce better stuff than this!
[/quote] Population growth for humans is more geometric progression than Fibonacci. ( Malthus) I tried tracing my ancestors. I had two parents, 4 grandparents,8 great grand...16, 32, 64 etc. By the time I got to about 1300 AD my ancestors numbered more than the poulation of England so they must have come from Europe. by !000AD they numbered more than the pop of Europe so, must have come from Asia, By 1AD thay numbered more than the Earth's population so must have been extra-terrestrials  Roy
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