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jasonvaughn
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|  Posted 15-05-2006 at 11:17
Just paid a visit to Flint castle. Great 13th century Edwardian castle with stunning views of the Dee estuary. Quite a shame to see loads of beer cans in the castle grounds and painted graffiti near the gatehouse. It amazes me how people can treat sites of antiquity with such disrespect. Surely at ancient sites we have a duty to those who went before us and to those who will come in the future. As the saying goes: "take nothing but a picture and leave nothing but a footprint." End of rant.
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cropredy
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| Posted 15-05-2006 at 14:07
jasonvaughn,
I live in rural England , on the face of it totally sublime, but, we have a constant problem of the church windows been broken, articles stolen from the church, cars broken into, houses burgled, childrens play area trashed etc, etc, etc.
A level of disrespect that mystifies most ?
Most of the elder generations have religion to supply a framework, as do some of the younger, but most just have no respect for anyone or anything apart from their own selfish desires.
If the reason why these ancient sites etc were constructed , could be shown, and how important to our survival they are , then they will have the respect they deserve, if not they will be bull dozed or trashed, or locked up for safe keeping.
We need to get back to basics, re-learn what has been forgotten, re-establish the respect and understanding of who we are.
Kevin
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TimPrevett
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| Posted 15-05-2006 at 16:43
It has been postulated that Flint Castle was built from stone robbed from Chester Amphitheatre!
Yes, I know what you mean about the disrespect for the ancient sites, of many periods. I do think much of it comes down to local youths desiring a drinking den (or other substance), and area out of site.
However, this summer solstice, I will go to a remote site, as last year drunken some person turned up and created huge bonfire at the (easily accessible) stone circle I was at because it was "f..king summer solstice; you can't have summer solstice without a f..king fire". Hmmmn. What can you do?
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| Posted 15-05-2006 at 18:16
shame about Flint castle but if you'd gone up the road abit you would of found Ewloe castle in Wepre park. a few cans strewn around but no mindless vandalism! it's best to park at the back and cross the field, rather than the park.(unless you have kids then the park has swings etc..)
ShropshireTraveller. i know wot you mean with quiet places. last year me and my mate went to a little cairn circle between castle dinas bran and worlds end. luvly place with a couple of standin stones. i still keep meaning to post the pics up but just haven't had time to sort them out!
this year i would mind 'Penmeanmawr' again. a good little walk up to it so no kn*b eads. i would realy like to go bak 2 Avebury, but that'll have to be next year! in fact i remember Avebury gettin hit one year buy some vandal. i took this pic.......
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=2571&orderby=
peace, quiet and a clear sky!
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| Posted 16-05-2006 at 00:24
Rubbish at ancient sites (well rubbish generally) does make me annoyed.
I went to Trefignath Chambered tomb on Anglesey, and it had been used for a party, with crisp packets and drinks cans.
This time, instead of getting stressed, I gathered up the rubbish, put it in my rucksack and disposed of it at the next bin I found.
It made me feel quite good, knowing I had helped leave a little more beauty for the next visitor to the cairn!
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jasonvaughn
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| Posted 16-05-2006 at 08:21
Nicoladidsbury - that's a good point you make about clearing up the rubbish: If something bothering you that much do something positive about it. Shropshire traveller - if what you say about Flint castle is true then they would have done damage/vandalism to the Roman amphitheatre back in the 13th C. Suppose nothing is new under the Sun.
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| Posted 16-05-2006 at 19:41
IMO, I have good reason to believe after visiting many so called amphitheatres and hill forts, that all the ones I have visited , to my way of testing would appear to be from a very long time before romans.
They are mostly still working at what I consider was their origonal construction reason.
I do not blame anyone for making use of them for whatever reason, and if they were blind to the origonal construction reason , then forgive them, for they did not know.
All of the sites I talk of were indeed defensive constructions, but not against a living enemy.
They were made to seperate the life enchancing flow, and the low down dissolver of all , best thought of as the grim reaper.
By seperating these two, earthing the dangerous one , and then flooding the area around the site with an abundance of the life giving and enchancing flow, we owe our existance to these ancients who are now dust.
It is the embankments and ditches that are the most important part, not the stones or their alignments, they came later.
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| Posted 16-05-2006 at 20:33
Blingo
I am thinking of Tal y Fan / Penmaenmawr too this year!
Perhaps some discussion somewhere....
Tim
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| Posted 16-05-2006 at 20:36
Jason
much of the amphitheatre was already interfered with by the 13th C IIRC.
As for vandalism, even in prehistory that happened. Bryn Celli Ddu, once a henge / stone circle was taken over, the stones smashed, and a new structure built over the older culture's monument. Neolithic / Bronze Age folk weren't all smug friends enjoying their ancestors' work!
Makes you think.
Tim
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jasonvaughn
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| Posted 17-05-2006 at 08:29
Cropredy - so if I understand you correctly some sites are still full with life giving energy, whilst others are either neutral, or occupied by a darker substance? From reading your posts I gather that you are into dowsing - is this the only way to assess the sites or can you judge a site by just feeling for its "vibes" ? Personally I tend only to get good feelings from the sites I've visited, whilst certain other places (esp caves) give me the downright heebie jeebies.
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| Posted 17-05-2006 at 10:34
jasonvaughn, I am into dowsing with two rods, I can't do anything with these pendulems, I reckon it's all in their minds.( it is )
I have met some amazing people as I wander along.
A couple of weeks ago at rollright I met a lady from the Ukraine who could taste the flows, we had no common language ,but as we walked around the site, exactly where I detected a line she also tasted it.
Another person I met some months ago from Australia, had spent a lot time with some aborigonals, and he could feel the lines around his forehead, he told me how sensitive the aborigonals are, and can feel through the soles of their feet.
I am beginning to not need my rods, its almost akin to been telepathic.
Parts of old sarum gave me the heeby geebies, down in two holes, in the large grass area, are where they sent the lower flow into, it also then flows down into the base of the embankments, I would strongly recommend to all, not to spend long in these areas, and especially to keep youngsters away from them.
Where the central castle is , is a very powerfull spot , it creates ten further spots around the grassed area, by earthing the lower dangerous flow,( in barrows ) they have allowed the salisbury district to be flooded by the life supporting flow.
I don't blame all the kings etc, that have lived here, their so called magicians etc, will have easily worked out what I have.
The da vinci code, is as if a mere pittance against what I have worked out, and the church and ruling class have known and kept it secret, it has been kept so secret that it has been forgotten, it has been lost in religion and the masons.
Both these sets of people will do anything to shut me up, but they can't now, this internet has opened the locks, allowed me to re-learn, wonderfull sites such as this have allowed us all to see the clues, forgotten clues, left by people long ago dust.
I don't feel anyone purposely set out to decieve anyone, they couldn't know that which we now take for granted, I don't need to be an expert in any field, they are all here at a touch of a button, I only have to look and the answer to everything is here.
To put everything into a simple way.
EVERYTHING in the universe is composed of compressed radio waves, spinning left, spinning right.
one creates and compounds together to form what we think of as solids, the other dissolves the compounds back to radio waves,( google walter russell ) space is chocker block full of this, not empty, all the so called energy is in space, because everything is compressed radio waves , everything is one, and CAN interact with ALL
Kevin, with sore radio wave fingers.
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| Posted 17-05-2006 at 11:02
Cropredy - knowledge is power and how much more powerful is secret knowledge? And yes in the past I think the ruling elite have kept knowledge away from the masses. Hamlet says in the play: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy", and at the moment there are areas of science that are still perplexing, dark matter and dark energy for example. The question I have for you Cropredy is whether there is any scientific evidence to support dowsing? Please note that by my question I do not invalidate or discount any of your findings at the sites mentioned in your last post.
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Jason
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| Posted 17-05-2006 at 13:14
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On 2006-05-17 11:02, jasonvaughn wrote:
Croperdy - knowledge is power and how much more powerful is secret knowledge? And yes in the past I think the ruling elite have kept knowledge away from the masses. Hamlet says in the play: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy", and at the moment there are areas of science that are still perplexing, dark matter and dark energy for example. The question I have for you Croperdy is whether there is any scientific evidence to support dowsing? Please note that by my question I do not invalidate or discount any of your findings at the sites mentioned in your last post.
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I keep reading about your dowsing. I've got an open mind on he subject. The only dowsing I know of is water diving. Here in W.A. a lot of people do this. It is not a "gift" possessed by certain people, I was taught how to do it. The man that taught me used a green forked twig from a gum tree. the myth about 'hazel twigs' is rubbish, any green twig will do. Anyway this man felt the "field' or whetever you like to call it, so stongly when the twig dipped down that it tore the skin from his palms. he said that if he was lighter the force could possibly lift him off the ground. This provoked my thinking. The tale of witches flying on broomsticks. Could it have been possible? that they were tapping into unknown energy? Even here with many water diviners the scientists are still sceptible infidels. rbatham
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jasonvaughn
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| Posted 17-05-2006 at 13:36
rbatham - I think that scientists are almost by definition infidels since usually they require proof / consistent evidence before they believe in a particular theory or phenomenon. Whereas my understanding of "faith" is belief without proof - something along the lines of: if you could proove God existed then you wouldn't require faith.
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| Posted 17-05-2006 at 14:01
Rbatham, "Sceptible infidels",
I have made a note of this wonderfull pair of words, if you really delve into this wonderfull world of the megalithic portal, you will come to realise that one or two of the stones are too heavy even for todays transport and lifting capability.
they are cut and shaped beyond a precision that we could do.
Then the experts announce that ancient mankind had nothing but antlers to do these things with ?
Sorry this does not compute.
I have been lifted through the air by this force, I have the burn marks left by this force, I have seen this force.
I can detect this force, with the above , I have an advantage, an understanding of this force and how it operates, gravity control is a passion of mine.
The tree of life knows how to alter gravity, I know about trees.
Kevin
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jasonvaughn
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| Posted 17-05-2006 at 15:08
Cropredy - what do you know about trees? Do you know much about the Green Man?
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you will come to realise that one or two of the stones are too heavy even for todays transport and lifting capability.
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Nay lad, who told thee that? T'ain't true.
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| Posted 18-05-2006 at 08:27
There is a whole world of a difference between being open minded and on the other hand accepting any Tom fool of a notion that is spouted about ancient sites. So whilst it may not be possible to exactly deduce how the ancients constructed certain sites using their available tools (stonehenge, pyramids, south american sites) that does not mean the incredible (aliens and the like) is involved. And of course when we look back to ancient cultures we must always be minded: what was important to THEM (not us) and why did THEY construct (because I'm sure they built for themselves and not for us)?
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| Posted 18-05-2006 at 11:09
jasonvaughn, this thread was started by you having a rant, understandably upset about something you/we treasure.
I feel you are spot on to say they will have built it for themselves, in their time and for their needs, and most sites will have been altered to suit the ever changing needs etc.
I want to learn from the past, make use of why the sites were constructed .
You asked earlier about trees, this is a stunning link, I would recommend all to look through some of the sites, amazing.
But to be specific about trees go to the left hand scroll bar and click cambodia, then find ta prohm temple, see the lengths that trees will go to, to be on a precise spot, and then see how those spots align to the achitecture, the tree of life knows more than we do about something, but I am learning from the tree, fast.
http://www.orientalarchitecture.com
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| Posted 19-05-2006 at 09:03
Sorry Cropredy, but I just get a bit worked up if people suggest or hint at outlandish things (as I see it) about the construction of ancient sites. Guess I'm the one with the closed mind. Thanks for the tree link.
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