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|  Posted 26-10-2008 at 19:22
Sorry Chimera, I meant "eqinox." Just typed the wrong word.
However, I was taught in dive training that Spring Tides occurred two days after the full moon, not at it.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 05:32
"However, I was taught in dive training that Spring Tides occurred two days after the full moon, not at it."
Genuine enquiry as I'm ignorant of this stuff. Why does the fullness or otherwise of the moon have an effect?
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 06:38
Full moon is always at the opposite end of the estate to the sun. New moon always next to sun. So the 3 are straight and the gravities pull in agreement. But waiting a couple of days for the spring /king to happen? Is that why they ate all that pork at Durrington?
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 07:10
"Full moon is always at the opposite end of the estate to the sun. New moon always next to sun."
Ferzackerly Chimera, so you'll have to explain it again. Full moon is when solar gravity reduces the effect of lunar gravity and new moon is when they both pull together. I'm warning you, if you don't explain it I'll be forced to ask Kev.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 08:23
Sem,
If You know the ways of water, then simply transfer that to space.
We exist in the sea of space, but because it permeates all, We cannot see it.(I,m a poet?)
Wave fronts interfere with other wave fronts, they cause interferance with other wave fronts.
Therefore it is not what your eyes see, it is the sea you can't see.
See what I mean?
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|  Posted 27-10-2008 at 08:28
(heh heh come in Kev with bells and whistles)
Well, Chyk old chief, you've got yer basic 2 tides, yeah, up here and here, down there and there. 24/7, OK? The full moon doesn't reduce the sun, nah nah, cor, it boosts it up, you get my drift. Low tides in the middle, high front and back and yer moon pulls it up, got it? Spreads it out, like. Now yer onto it. Forget about Kev, doesn't do tides, eh, over his head. Aherr aherr.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 08:40
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On 2008-10-27 07:10, Chyknel2 wrote:
"Full moon is always at the opposite end of the estate to the sun. New moon always next to sun."
Ferzackerly Chimera, so you'll have to explain it again. Full moon is when solar gravity reduces the effect of lunar gravity and new moon is when they both pull together. I'm warning you, if you don't explain it I'll be forced to ask Kev.
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It's all to do with gravitational pull Chy.
If you look at the moon the answers obvious. Compare the difference in the size of the moon when its full and at other times. Obviously, as can be seen, the moon is at it's largest when it's full and so has more gravity.
I really hate having to explain the obvious to thick people.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 09:18
It would be more apparent if there was daylight saving in winter, which is of course the season that needs it most. The reflection from the Arctic used to add to the moon shine but may have increased the ice-cap melting rate which is the main reason for summer new moons these days.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 10:37
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You can see earthshine on the moon in this photo during totality:
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080808.html
Good article on albedo here:
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Albedo
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 17:32
I think I learnt about tides in Primary School!
To simplify..
Spring Tides..High highs, Low lows. Full and New Moon, twice a month.
Neap Tides..Low highs, High lows. First and last quarter Moon, twice a month.
There is a varying delay between the apparent transit of the moon and the peak of the tide but this is more to do with the topography of the coast and/or sea bed.
See here for more information than you really need.... http://www.answers.com/topic/tide
Of course this information is to be taken with a pinch of salt because, as we have been TOLD. the real answer lies in a complex theory, sorry, FACT, known only to a select few. The above link is, of course, a government conspiracy to keep the truth from all of us.
Grimaldi.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 18:41
"It's all to do with gravitational pull Chy.
If you look at the moon the answers obvious. Compare the difference in the size of the moon when its full and at other times. Obviously, as can be seen, the moon is at it's largest when it's full and so has more gravity.
I really hate having to explain the obvious to thick people. "
Aaah, so a rock on the new moon is lighter than on the full moon.
And the same applies on the new and full earth?
So they probably erected Stonehenge at night.
This certainly demolishes Kev's explanation of rock moving.
Sorry I'm so thick, it's the fumes from the sawdust and elephant poo.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 19:33
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On 2008-10-27 17:32, Jimit wrote:
I think I learnt about tides in Primary School!
To simplify..
Spring Tides..High highs, Low lows. Full and New Moon, twice a month.
Neap Tides..Low highs, High lows. First and last quarter Moon, twice a month.
There is a varying delay between the apparent transit of the moon and the peak of the tide but this is more to do with the topography of the coast and/or sea bed.
See here for more information than you really need.... http://www.answers.com/topic/tide
Of course this information is to be taken with a pinch of salt because, as we have been TOLD. the real answer lies in a complex theory, sorry, FACT, known only to a select few. The above link is, of course, a government conspiracy to keep the truth from all of us.
Grimaldi.
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Have you monitored a well over this period?
It is not just the sea water that is been pulled about.
Correct Me if I'm wrong, but aren't Grimaldi's ice cream men?
The accepted explanation is that gravity done it, m'lord.
I consider differently, but the ringside seats to such a show are down below, if you wish to peddle your ice creams down there, there are plenty of clowns for you to sell to.
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 19:39
Jimit,
No wonder your such an expert on tides,
http://www.grimaldi.co.uk/
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| Posted 27-10-2008 at 21:33
Hi Chy.
I was thinking of adding that the two day delay between the full moon and spring tide was due to the gravitational pull of the moon taking two days to reach earth. Didn't think you'd believe that though.
Jimit is correct when he says spring tides occur (with the 2day delay) on full and new moons, but the one after the full moon is higher. I don't know if this delay only happens in the UK. Some places do get more than two high tides per day. If I remember correctly the Solent is one such place.
Jack Morris-Eyton, who's knowledge of things astronomical far exceeds mine, told me that tide-tables were the best thing he's found for checking moon-phases.
As regarding Cropredy's quote about wells - of course all water is effected. Even the Mediterranean has a tide.
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| Posted 28-10-2008 at 07:26
Kevin, Grimaldi was the most famous English clown.
http://www.answers.com/grimaldi?gwp=11&ver=2.0.1.458&method=3
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| Posted 28-10-2008 at 07:54
Jimit,
Are You his reincarnation then?
You will have many apprentices to deal with here on the portal circus, and they did have circus rings?, circles to perform around?
Maybe the laughter side of the megaliths is overlooked , stonehenge would be the ideal theatre setting for a troupe of clowns to perform upon?
Once you have people laughing , they are far more receptive to other things, more relaxed.
Kevin
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| Posted 29-10-2008 at 05:02
"Once you have people laughing , they are far more receptive to other things, more relaxed."
I've found that to be true in the case of lady clowns.
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| Posted 29-10-2008 at 08:19
Ma trix?
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| Posted 29-10-2008 at 08:28
At the end of the Ice Age would there be more ice-shine on the full moon, and a stronger light?
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| Posted 29-10-2008 at 08:42
Chimera,
In your sunny upside down place, do people wear white or black , out in the glare ?
Think about that.
Think about chalk.
Think of the embankment around stonehenge.
think of chalk.
Silbury hill,
Think of chalk,
Avebury embankments,
think of chalk.
Do people become whiter in your upside down land?
Absorbtion and reflection, but of what?
Kevin
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