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Runemage
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|  Posted 23-02-2012 at 14:56
Just a bit of levity.
Spirals feature in rock art, ancient sites and decoration since time immemorial, I wonder what inspires peoples' fascination to create them even in the present day?
http://www.thechobble.com/2012/02/snow-drawings-are-like-crop-circles-in.html?utm_source=BP_recent
I was at Long Meg on a very frosty morning and someone had finger-drawn spirals in the frost on a few of the stones.
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LittleEnki
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 15:58
Hey, Rune, and cool link!
I really have to think it looks like someone dowsing in the snow. Of course they are quite accomplished at their talent, as it appears they have found all of the energy vortices already!
That can only mean one thing, a team of Cropredy,Tom, Tiompan.
Kevin needs to chime in here, as he is the spiral expert IMHO.
I, for some reason find spirals soothing, and relaxing, and when I meditate, I often see them.I even find myself drawing them, too, when bored at my desk sometimes!lol
Also, it seems that way back they would have drawn them for the same reason, and the drawings were etched in stone, or snow instead of on paper.
Newgrange is the key, though, and I have secured a trip there in 2013 to see the summer solstice. Until then, I will be studying these spirals, so when I get there, i can feel the real reason they exist, through Meditation, and Remote Viewing.
So, I'll see ya there on June 21st next year, and we shall share an ale, and a toast, to the fine people of the UK!
Cheers!
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Runemage
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 16:19
These snow spirals are made by a group of skiers, about 5 or so images down you can see them at work.
Newgrange is the key, though, and I have secured a trip there in 2013 to see the summer solstice.
but but but....  Newgrange has its special effects at Winter Solstice Sunrise, and you can't get in there to see it unless you're one of the lucky ones with a winning ticket in their lottery. Are you sure of your dates and location?? I'd hate for you to come all this way and not get the spectacle you want, although there's often cloud cover and sometimes the sun isn't visible anyway...
If you're in for meditation etc, it may be worthwhile choosing a site that's aligned to whatever you have come to watch at the right time of year as energetically speaking it will be most active then.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 17:50
Everything spirals.
And those spirals are determined by fibonacci sequencing that provides a pathway of least resistance.
Shells demonstrate this brilliantly, and will be why they were incorperated into megalithic constructions to aid in the design features.
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4d2cs.html
On other parts of spira solaris are the solar system spiral pathways , and how they all fit together.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 19:07
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Why the summer solstice? While you're there, take both trips that they will offer you.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 19:57
There are many different types of spirals the Fibonacci may be common in nature but are there any among all the rock art spirals ? I’ve never seen one .The Maltese spirals tend to be Archimidean , the Boyne spirals are sometimes a combination of Fermat and Archimidean spirals and very often elsewhere they are rough and unclear but never Fibonacci .
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On 2012-02-23 17:50, cropredy wrote:
Everything spirals.
And those spirals are determined by fibonacci sequencing that provides a pathway of least resistance.
Shells demonstrate this brilliantly, and will be why they were incorperated into megalithic constructions to aid in the design features.
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4d2cs.html
On other parts of spira solaris are the solar system spiral pathways , and how they all fit together.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 20:11
"Shells demonstrate this brilliantly, and will be why they were incorperated into megalithic constructions to aid in the design features. "
This sounds as if incorporation of shells is a common feature at megalithic sites. But where do we have shells incorporated? Stoney Littleton (main feature is a cephalopod there not a shell) and.....?
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 20:37
Nice one. However, I think the double spiral would have been better, then no direct lines in/out.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 21:11
Nice spiral on this portugese stone( is that on here?)
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/portugal.htm
Fibonacci SEQUENCING is the inward spiral versus the outward spiral.
They are formed upon fibonacci geometry created by the lines crossingin specific fibonacci orientations locally, the rollrights are 55/34.
Shells are found in multiple sites, and we have had threads previously about them.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 21:17
Another excellent page on Spira solaris,
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4g1.html
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 21:21
Hi,
Some points....
In modern day spirals are usefull analagies, many motivational self help projects involve a "spiral of negativity", which involves a concept designed to make one aware of how actions can influence one another, in a seeming chain of events. Once understood this spiral can be broken. (Im not implying anything more than a concept here). Interestingly we also use the term "downward spiral" to imply a path, or chain of events.
An interesting link:
Cosmic spiral
Spirals can be found at many different eras of human civilisation from Pagan fonts, to Norman Masonry, not to mention the neolithic representations. It is very likely they have some symbolic representation, it is not clear that each culture had the same understanding, but again this would seem likely.
Triple spiral
Fibonacci is very compelling in itself, but with the point raised here there is no direct evidence to support that the ancients were aware of spirals, nodes or other energetic flows. If not then it is a seeming high coincidence that at ancient sites spirals can be dowsed, and beyond this to ancient sites which when dowsed were not known to be an ancient site, example provided on detectable flows thread. If the ancient symbology is in fact pointing to this then in time understanding of these sites may be interpreted.
Fibonacci petals
Dowsing energy patterns, can lead to very complex patterns being mapped. As humans being integrated into the world around us which can be explained as a unique complicated system, means that we share a relationship with this system, one which has obvious effects such as visual, physical i.e moving an object and it actually moving, as seen by anyone else looking, therefore we can move an object. I believe there to be less visible effects, which is not really too hard to believe when you consider Gravity and electricity which cannot be directly seen, we can observe effects of these phenomina, we know they exist based on the laws of cause and effect. On dowsing In addition to energy spirals being detected, which is a repeatable observation, perhaps not understood on the par as Gravity and electricity which is taught in schools.
When spending significant time at an ancient sites energy patterns will move, and change, perhaps in ***** to the presence of the human beings, shapes such as 6, 9 petal flowers can in fact be dowsed, and with great accuracy. These shapes share features of many "genuine" crop circles, I am still in the camp which hasnt ruled out crop circle as being a natural phenomina.
Energy Patterns
In terms of metaphors spirals are said to resemble the cycle of life, I came across this journey of the inner spiral type thing with walking labyrinth mazes, I dont know a lot about this to be honest, any thoughts? The gist of it is that walking along a spiral or a similar spiral shaped configuration is like embarking on a journey.
Labyrinth]Labyrinth[/URL]
Of course the spirals themselves, may just be decorative patterns 
Tom
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 21:23
The layering of shells and clay will be vital to the performance of the site imho, with human bones also playing a vital role, the shells and clay though will provide directional features and resistance to how the flows move locally within the site.
The trick is to recognise that there are flows in the first place, otherwise You will just think I am mad?????
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 21:45
That spiral like all the rock art spirals that I'm aware of is not a Fibonacci spiral .
"Shells demonstrate this brilliantly, and will be why they were incorperated into megalithic constructions "
Yes shells are found at some megalithic sites , but where are they incorporated into megalithic constructions ?
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Nice spiral on this portugese stone( is that on here?)
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/portugal.htm
Fibonacci SEQUENCING is the inward spiral versus the outward spiral.
They are formed upon fibonacci geometry created by the lines crossingin specific fibonacci orientations locally, the rollrights are 55/34.
Shells are found in multiple sites, and we have had threads previously about them.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 21:48
We are all nowt but a spiral . . .
Good reading: "The Mystic Spiral". Almost every page is hugely thought provoking. 50% images. Enjoy
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 21:58
But the image is not a double spiral ,its ,as mentioned previously about the Boyne spirals closer to a Fermat's Spiral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermat%27s_spiral .A double spiral =http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/43500/43503/spiral2_43503.htm
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Nice one. However, I think the double spiral would have been better, then no direct lines in/out.
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On 2012-02-23 21:45, tiompan wrote:
That spiral like all the rock art spirals that I'm aware of is not a Fibonacci spiral .
"Shells demonstrate this brilliantly, and will be why they were incorperated into megalithic constructions "
Yes shells are found at some megalithic sites , but where are they incorporated into megalithic constructions ?
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On 2012-02-23 21:11, cropredy wrote:
Nice spiral on this portugese stone( is that on here?)
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/portugal.htm
Fibonacci SEQUENCING is the inward spiral versus the outward spiral.
They are formed upon fibonacci geometry created by the lines crossingin specific fibonacci orientations locally, the rollrights are 55/34.
Shells are found in multiple sites, and we have had threads previously about them.
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I'll find dozens if You so demand, but generally they are called RITUAL.
Which is just another way of saying that they don't know why they were placed where they are etc, but thats because they don't know what shells and bones are capable of achieving....I do.
There will have been very carefull choosing and placement involved with very specific materials, especially shells/bones and clays, and the local manipulation of the flows will have been central to this.
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The central spiral end point been the most desired spot to place the remains upon, and to ensure perfect contact they will have used gold sheets .
the spiral pathway to heaven is what it is all about.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 22:27
Blakes painting called Jacobs ladder depicts it well, imho.
http://www.artfund.org/artwork/2723/jacobs-ladder
I happen to consider that the preferred route in the megaliths was downstairs, and thats what the capping over with layered insulation , including shell layers is all about.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 22:39
I,m on a shell hunt.
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=7451
I won't believe anyone who says they haven't picked up a spiral shell and put it to their ear????
I just happen to also check what the shell does locally about itself to the field flows, and the spiral method of creation of the shell will be right down into it's celluler structure, therefore it will interact with the very stuff it was created from, because thats how everything is created in fantastic spiral variations.
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| Posted 23-02-2012 at 22:46
Whatever shell bones clay and some flows can achieve it’s a all a bit like claims about finding gold , easily said , but nothing will ever be provided to support it . When one says " I do " with no action , it's crying wolf and others just ignore it .
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they don't know what shells and bones are capable of achieving....I do.
There will have been very carefull choosing and placement involved with very specific materials, especially shells/bones and clays, and the local manipulation of the flows will have been central to this.
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Great advice, Rune, and yeah I know I wont be there for the big event, I have a big project to do in the fall and winter.Also I am the unluckiest guy in the world, so no lottery for meLOL!It's the only vaca I'll have that year, and hopefully it will be just as cool in the summer!
I will look into other places, too, you might suggest in the area, and we will be in Belfast for a week, too. Hopefully I can Remote View while away from home, and Ive been practicing in the Hotels while working out of town, with mixed success(30-40%)
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On 2012-02-23 16:19, Runemage wrote:
These snow spirals are made by a group of skiers, about 5 or so images down you can see them at work.
Newgrange is the key, though, and I have secured a trip there in 2013 to see the summer solstice.
but but but.... Newgrange has its special effects at Winter Solstice Sunrise, and you can't get in there to see it unless you're one of the lucky ones with a winning ticket in their lottery. Are you sure of your dates and location?? I'd hate for you to come all this way and not get the spectacle you want, although there's often cloud cover and sometimes the sun isn't visible anyway...
If you're in for meditation etc, it may be worthwhile choosing a site that's aligned to whatever you have come to watch at the right time of year as energetically speaking it will be most active then.
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