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Wiggy
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On 2005-08-31 01:56, AngieLake wrote:
I'm not sure what the people of the Irish Republic would think about their sacred mountain being part of the British Isles.........?
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On 2005-07-20 00:01, Anonymous wrote:
Sacred to which group of people?
I would say that the most sacred lump of stone in the British Isles today is Croagh Patrick as tens of thousands of people regularly visit it for religious purposes, but classifying a mountain as a lump of stone might be pushing it.
Apart from that Ireland is full of ancient stones that form part of Christian pilgrimages today, which makes them 'actively' sacred.
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"The British Isles" is a geographical appellation, rather than political - not to be confused with "Great Britain".
The UK and The Republic of Ireland are both part of "The British Isles" - I understand that this is very annoying to many people I know, but there we go.
I suppose the concept of huge nation states would have been meaningless to the people who built the henges etc.
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|  New Message Posted!2005-08-31 01:56
I'm not sure what the people of the Irish Republic would think about their sacred mountain being part of the British Isles.........?
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On 2005-07-20 00:01, Anonymous wrote:
Sacred to which group of people?
I would say that the most sacred lump of stone in the British Isles today is Croagh Patrick as tens of thousands of people regularly visit it for religious purposes, but classifying a mountain as a lump of stone might be pushing it.
Apart from that Ireland is full of ancient stones that form part of Christian pilgrimages today, which makes them 'actively' sacred.
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Wiggy
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On 2005-08-30 09:14, hamish wrote:
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On 2005-07-22 20:26, hamish wrote:
I meant Robert the Bruce was offered the Stone back after the Declaration of Independence.But he told the English to keep it.
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" It came off a cesspit, your ancestors may as well sit on it "
Care to speculate what his exact words might have been?!! 
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On 2005-08-29 21:14, Wiggy wrote:
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On 2005-07-22 20:26, hamish wrote:
I meant Robert the Bruce was offered the Stone back after the Declaration of Independence.But he told the English to keep it.
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" It came off a cesspit, your ancestors may as well sit on it "
Care to speculate what his exact words might have been?!!
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Wiggy
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On 2005-07-22 20:26, hamish wrote:
I meant Robert the Bruce was offered the Stone back after the Declaration of Independence.But he told the English to keep it.
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Care to speculate what his exact words might have been?!!
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| New Message Posted!2005-07-22 20:26
I meant Robert the Bruce was offered the Stone back after the Declaration of Independence.But he told the English to keep it.
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On 2005-07-22 08:12, hamish wrote:
After there was "peace between England and Scotland" the English offered the Stone back to Scotland and were told they could keep it,makes you wonder doesn't it.
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Yes that's true, but there was a clause that they can borrow it back for any future coronation.
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| New Message Posted!2005-07-22 08:12
After there was "peace between England and Scotland" the English offered the Stone back to Scotland and were told they could keep it,makes you wonder doesn't it.
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On 2005-07-21 09:47, Jim-Rayner wrote:
Yes its True that there are stories of Blarney Stone and the Stone of Scone being fakes.
Does Stonehenge fot this bill as it has nearly a million visitors a year?
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In the first part, remember that the Stone of Destiny never left Ireland in the first place and that the stone of that name on Tara isn't the real thing either.
Secondly, No. The millions of people who visit Stonehenge each year do it because there's a signpost, not because they have a spiritual need to do so 
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| New Message Posted!2005-07-21 09:47
Yes its True that there are stories of Blarney Stone and the Stone of Scone being fakes. One story about he Stone of Scone isthat it is a medevial cess pit lid that he canny Scots swapped for thereal one. But these two stones do have a value today. Many people go and visit to kiss the Blarney stone weather fake or not and Kings and Queens of England are by tradition crowned on the Stone of Scone or Destiny by its other name.
As for mountain the St. Patrick Mountain in Ireland is sacred because of the annual pligrimage walk to the top. Also the Stone of Divisions a natural rocky outcrop is meant to mark to spiritual heart of Ireland.
As for the UK, well sacred is referred to in the dictionary as "deserving veneration" or "connected with the holy, of a regilion or a diety" or "sacrosanct".
This is a good question as how do you difine the answer. By numberes of people visiting a stone(s) or by personal experience? Does Stonehenge fot this bill as it has nearly a million visitors a year?
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