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Elijah
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|  New Message Posted!2013-02-23 12:37
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Apologies for not replying earlier, a computer glitch just ruined my life, well almost, I did have my wife's Kindle! Anyhow, back to the very convoluted and distinctly odious subject of ancient blood sacrifice and my assertion that it was capable of inducing several modern phenomena.
Despite its fringe connotations I found your “brown gas” suggestion very interesting. First because it reminded me of a friend who demonstrated its bodily manifestation in the darkness of an army cinema many years ago, when he suddenly jumped onto his seat and held a lighter to his backside; the flame shot back three rows back and caused mayhem! Second, because it led me to the chemical compound “Oxyhydrogen”, a fusion of Hydrogen and Oxygen whose explosive combination I can personally testify to as I once worked in an ICI brine plant. Three, the Oxyhydrogen” compound in turn led me to the check for “Hydrogen Breath” in humans; I had no idea that bacteria in the human body can produce large amounts of such a reactive element in the colon and small intestine, or that it travels via the blood into the lungs where it is exhaled, and where it can be tested for as an indicator of bacterial problems in the intestinal tract!
Your observation that blood conveys large concentrations of oxygen was also significant. Of course, oxygen combines and reacts with lots of elements, but to find hydrogen in its vicinity… that should give smokers something else to worry about! Besides its potent fusion with hydrogen however, oxygen is also an crucial element, not only in the combustion triangle, but also in the “Firefly Luciferase” reaction, which produces the bioluminescent phenomenon. To find almost the whole of ancient society obsessed with the industrial liberation of blood is astonishing enough; but to find anthropology finally admitting that it may never explain the origins and spread of this mysterious rite, is rather a puzzle? More perplexing however, is the anthropological assertion that the widespread ancient testimony and allusion to sacrificial offerings suddenly bursting into flames, and the manifestation of a spiritual radiance’s in nearby tombs and temples, and the bodies of sacrificial practitioners, are merely myths? Surely these perplexing myths might afford an explanation for this puzzling ancient rite?
John
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-13 15:05
Hi John,
You have a pm, before we get much further off-topic 
Rune
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Elijah
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-13 07:52
Thanks Rune
I have thought about tapping the local community of over here. The thing is we have our property up for sale at the moment as we want to move back to the UK. Once thee I hope to pursue this more vigorously, but thanks for the links. Sounds like you've spent some time over here?
John
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 21:57
Are you in Spain, if so, how about a small ad in the ExPat newsletters, or for the more computer-savvy, there must be some online ExPat organisations. Here are a few Google hits to start you off.
http://www.expatica.com/es/lifestyle_leisure/lifestyle/Groups-and-clubs-in-Spain.html
http://www.spainexpat.com/spain/information/expat_clubs_in_spain/
http://www.expatforum.com/expats/spain-expat-forum-expats-living-spain/
Rune
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Elijah
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 20:58
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| Rune wrote... how about a retired English teacher who has similar interests? |
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I wish I could find one!
John
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 20:49
Are you volunteering?
Sorry John, I don't have the time to be able to take that on board, if I had, I would gladly help out.
I'm wondering who you could ask who wouldn't charge a fortune, many students these days don't have a great grasp of English anyway, too much txtspk, how about a retired English teacher who has similar interests?
Proofreading your own work is never a good thing, I can never spot all of my own glaring errors.
Rune
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Elijah
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 20:33
Hi Neil
Thanks for your interest; let me try and deal with each of your questions in turn...
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| While it's true that I may not understand much about this SHC issue, I find myself drawn in thought to the Altar Fire notation as presented above. If there is found to be some relevance associated with this phenomena, and given the admittedly sporadic nature of SHC, how would the 'Priests' go about selecting an individual for this sacrifice. |
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The priests were actually quite selective in their choice of victims. Only the purest, unblemished beasts and humans were selected. In many cultures the health of the victim extended to checking their internal organs, the liver, as an organ of the blood, was a prime indicator of this and used in prophecy.
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| They find him/her, place them on the Altar and then sit around smoking cigarettes, talking about the old days while waiting for this person to erupt into flame? |
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There was actually quite a lot priestly pleading and prayer. When Solomon inaugurated his Temple his prayers and pleading lasted many hours before Yahweh saw fit to consume his offerings.
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| I'm not attempting to diminish the theory, but that scenario, based upon what is said, seems a trifle goofy to me. |
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It has taken me forty years to get a grasp on this subject. At the end of the day your either intrigued by this ancient and modern evidence, or your not!
John
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cropredy
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On 2013-02-12 20:02, Feanor wrote:
While it's true that I may not understand much about this SHC issue, I find myself drawn in thought to the Altar Fire notation as presented above.
If there is found to be some relevance associated with this phenomena, and given the admittedly sporadic nature of SHC, how would the 'Priests' go about selecting an individual for this sacrifice.
They find him/her, place them on the Altar and then sit around smoking cigarettes, talking about the old days while waiting for this person to erupt into flame?
I'm not attempting to diminish the theory, but that scenario, based upon what is said, seems a trifle goofy to me.
Neil
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pseudo goobylydook and goofy.
Walt Disney may pay for such a team??
With a trifle pudding thrown in?
Maybe, just maybe the so called preists knew the precise timings when certain potentials hit a high point at the altar???
In a repetitive cyclic manner perhaps they also chose very high potential so called victims, and if I can so easily detect the potential of each individual, which I can, then perhaps, just perhaps there were far more practised such so called preists?
cropredy
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Feanor
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 20:02
While it's true that I may not understand much about this SHC issue, I find myself drawn in thought to the Altar Fire notation as presented above.
If there is found to be some relevance associated with this phenomena, and given the admittedly sporadic nature of SHC, how would the 'Priests' go about selecting an individual for this sacrifice.
They find him/her, place them on the Altar and then sit around smoking cigarettes, talking about the old days while waiting for this person to erupt into flame?
I'm not attempting to diminish the theory, but that scenario, based upon what is said, seems a trifle goofy to me.
Neil
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Elijah
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 19:41
Hi Rune
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| One other small point, not just for you but for all bloggers and writers who self-publish and ask people to comment, it may be worthwhile asking a proofreader to give it a once-over before it's placed online. |
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Are you volunteering? Thanks for the candid comments anyway, I appreciate it. I am aware of the problem, which is why I've searched around for a co-writer or a ghostwriter, but it is difficult.
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I've actually purchased the Lancet article dated 22nd December 1934 that details the scrutiny of this "luminous women of Pirano" by Dr Protti. It's quite detailed. He notes that when the light appeared her heart rate increased considerably. He notes she fasts severely during lent, and that she has bronchial pneumonia. After witnessing the appearance of the light some 25 times, he films the phenomenon. With the room in complete darkness he saw the light emerge from beneath the bedclothes and filmed it. The radiance arose in the region of her heart for some seconds illuminating her jaw and cheekbones. Unfortunately the films has since been lost. There several more clinical reports of this phenomenon; the most famous being the glowing wounds of civil war soldiers in America. I won't bore you with the many stories of fasting saints glowing in the darkness.
BTW, I'm about to post some further information. If you fancy giving it the once over give me a quickly to this
John
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