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JohnLindsay
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|  New Message Posted!2013-02-10 21:26
these things take longer to think about and write than to read.
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JohnLindsay
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-10 21:25
I haven't yet returned to another early matter, which was could any reading be suggested?
You never go worse than starting with Plato, for in Phaedrus he deals with a lot of this, and in the Symposium.
We presume the christians' book is already in the stack, for that is the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and gardens, so you know what happens then...
After Plato, things get a bit harder...benefit of knowledge (just to remind us we are on stack)... benefit means good in some sense or other, and knowledge benefit means we have to combine how we know knowledge to be wrong from knowledge we know to be right, and we separate that from the decisions or actions which follow... and we have to remember we are in megalith, not in general thinking, so we might want to build a small table, with Childe (incidently library thing makes a way of doing this in practice) as an anchor point, and going backwards to the sources he cites and moving forward to the sources who cite him?
Now Childe was dealing with the rise of fascism and then the cold war, so we need our table to include the matter of who is thinking what and why, in the context of what is going on around?
Getting a bit general, but it is simple in practice.
The line of thought I followed next. was that the author of the original question, who I don't think I know (in any sense) might be an 11 year old, in which case one line of thought might be appropriate. might be an undergraduate writing an essay, might be a post doctoral, or a museum curator, or a third age enthusiast, and the negotiation of the medium and the message might need to be moderated accordingly?
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JohnLindsay
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-10 21:15
I've missed something, where has the ice cream cone gone?
But the general, rather than universal, matter of stone cones raises the benefit of knowledge thread in an interesting way, for there seems to be evidence that at particular times, the form, time or temporality, ( I do have to check I don't make typoes in these places) similar things happened in different spaces, or places, and that is worth reasoning over...
Given that all sorts of reasoning appear to be regarded as reasonable, "god created the world in six days"; "in the beginning god created heaven and earth" it seems worth considering what is then specific to a particular space region area, with assigned property, causewayed enclosure, cursus, henge, or stone circles or standing stones, or whatever, and collecting the evidence to those enclosures and those spaces. Then collecting the arguments, which I have been showing in bibliography and words and things, and seeing how many of these can be made into cases which have some sort of standup?
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JohnLindsay
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-10 21:08
In Library Thing you can refer to earlier quotes by >number which I find useful, to have to requote means that quote lists become really long... so if I want to return to earlier areas, and then expect people to track back to find the context of that discussion, is to expect people to make more effort than is reasonable, but hi, we are in this world.
The original opening gambit, and an early response got me then to the garden of the tree of knowledge, and the benefit of eating the fruit.
Lest I leave this short of content, recently in a menu I found sheep ricotta gnudi...
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jonm
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-01 19:15
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| Yes, the evidence I allude to above holds out the promise of both physical and biological discoveries. |
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Sounds like a new topic for the Megalithic Mysteries section? I have had a flood of new work in, bit of a mystery in itself: Sorry for not responding earlier.
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jonm
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| New Message Posted!2013-01-31 18:10
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| Two blokes with ice-cream cones on their head, topped with a strawberry, are contributing and I keep mixing them up. |
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Ice cream cone gone (thanks Andy)
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Elijah
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| New Message Posted!2013-01-31 11:40
Hi Jon
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| What if there was an indication of a universal rationale |
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There is actually plenty of evidence to suggest just that, unfortunately, the Church, and historians, have placed this evidence off-limits to serious scientific research!
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| Personally, I doubt Stonehenge would present evidence of a universal rationale, though a universal rationale would need to explain why such a curious one-off was built? |
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The only thing that makes Stonehenge different from any other ancient megalithic circle is the sophisticated design of its stones; something indicative of a larger than normal population in that area, with powerful spiritual leaders who were able to focus their efforts and ideas.
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| Is there any additional argument for urgency of discovery? (other than the arguments bat400 has put forward) |
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Yes, the evidence I allude to above holds out the promise of both physical and biological discoveries.
John
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jonm
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| Intriguing; what would you do if your wacky Stonehenge "thought experiment" was actually viable; i.e. someone could present evidence of a universal rationale for the building of antiquities megalithic monuments? |
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Perhaps. What if there was an indication of a universal rationale: Is there any additional argument for urgency of discovery? (other than the arguments bat400 has put forward)
Personally, I doubt Stonehenge would present evidence of a universal rationale, though a universal rationale would need to explain why such a curious one-off was built?
edited: quotes got messed up
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Andy B
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Someone here has been citing evidence of compassion in ancient times to inform a political debate today
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=5557&forum=1&start=0
You could say that research into what happened in prehistoric times cuts through the chaff of modern life to get to the fundamentals of what it is to be human. That seems to resonate with a lot of people.
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| New Message Posted!2013-01-30 15:58
Hi Jon
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| I see what you mean. It's to do with the benefit of immediacy.
Hypothetically, let's say we could say with reasonable certainty what some neolithic monuments were for. Let's say that this was new but related to what everyone thought they were for.
We know that the purpose of those few monuments will be identified, but don't yet know what the knock-on effect on other monuments will be.
Is there any reason why a benefactor (could be the State or could be anyone else) should fund that discovery now, in times of austerity, rather than say in 10 years time? |
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I'm with you now!
Intriguing; what would you do if your wacky Stonehenge "thought experiment" was actually viable; i.e. someone could present evidence of a universal rationale for the building of antiquities megalithic monuments?
John
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