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tiompan
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|  New Message Posted!2013-02-13 22:37
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On 2013-02-13 22:22, sem wrote:
Hi George
I see the humour bypass was succesful.
Best wishes for the recovery.
Sem
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Sem , mmm , a joke . Sorry you'll have to explain .
Jim Davidson also blamed the audience when they didn't get it .
I can only imagine it might be something about dowsing .
George
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-13 22:22
Hi George
I see the humour bypass was succesful.
Best wishes for the recovery.
Sem
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-13 20:03
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On 2013-02-13 19:02, sem wrote:
Regarding certified dowsers, this seems to be more of an "NVQ thing" ie if you've been doing something for 20yrs your employer/organisation will give you a certificate saying you can do it if you pass a test proving you know how to do something you've been doing for 20yrs (take note George )
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Duly noted but failed to appreciate the salience Sem .
George
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-13 19:02
Hi Karloff
Regarding the insurance side of professions, and I am talking from my days in insurance a long time ago, the only legal requirement for any company/individual was/is(?) Employers Liability. Maybe Third Party (Public Liability) cover is required to join organisations and (from your archaeological point of view) is probably required by whoever authorises you to dig a site, but I don't think it is a legal requirement. Purely contractual.
Regarding certified dowsers, this seems to be more of an "NVQ thing" ie if you've been doing something for 20yrs your employer/organisation will give you a certificate saying you can do it if you pass a test proving you know how to do something you've been doing for 20yrs (take note George )
Incidentally, it was only about 25yrs ago that motor insurance was required to cover against ALL Third Party damage and not just injury to people.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 18:54
This is the place, are there any dowsing maps of it?
If not what about producing one?
http://www.avebury-web.co.uk/bhengemap2a.png
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 13:33
Listen carefully, I vill say ziz only once.
I agree with Karloff.
I going to lie down in a darkened room.
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 11:41
hi Karloff,
As ever, it's a tad more complicated than it seems on first glance.
2. You don't need a certificate to be insured. In fact as a “professional” the only insurance you need is public liability (which I note isn’t mentioned on the website so I hope they do have it if they give tours and courses)
You do need a certificate that's more than public liability if you are to practise, I found this for 'therapeutic dowsing'
>>Cover provided: Third party risks (ie. claims by clients and others against the therapist) including claims for loss and/or injury including legal costs in respect of:-
Section 1 Treatments risks
Product risks
Accidental injury and loss (Public liability)
Optional additional cover and policy extensions.
Section 2
All risks equipment & products protection. This section protects therapists' personal business equipment and products against loss or damage.
Policy extensions: An individual member's cover may be extended to include:-
1) Insurance for part-time teaching of their professional skills.
2) Insurance for practical work compiling case studies whilst taking a course leading to further practitioner qualifications.
The workplace : The policy is effective wherever the therapist chooses to work. this can include their own home, the client's home, salon, clinic, leisure centre, public hall etc. Treatments performed during demonstrations or lectures are also included.<<
3. You don’t need a certificate to call yourself a professional dowser as there is no professional body that regulates dowsers.
No, but there are, in line with all complementary therapies/practises, voluntary regulatory bodies which will be known to insurers. To obtain cover, you must be a "Qualified Practitioner" Not all certificated courses automatically mean "Qualification" or that you can be insured to practise afterwards, it's up to the student to check with the insurer beforehand whether that particular certificate is recognised by them or not.
Rune
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karloff
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 11:08
Hi
I'm more interested in the Certificate of Dowsing that enables people to becaome insured as a profesional dowser.
Let's see what the problems are with this is shall we?
1. Certified by whom? There is no certifying academic institution behind the certificate; I could do that with a PC and a printer
2. You don't need a certificate to be insured. In fact as a “professional” the only insurance you need is public liability (which I note isn’t mentioned on the website so I hope they do have it if they give tours and courses)
3. You don’t need a certificate to call yourself a professional dowser as there is no professional body that regulates dowsers.
4. From the website it seems that the professional bit actually comes from charging people for the courses and authorship of books on dowsing etc.
This all makes me think why offer the certificate if it isn’t needed and doesn’t have any worth? Is it for the same reasons that the EM reading bit isn’t detailed enough to see if it has any credence? It smells very slightly of applying a layer of “establishment” over the course and the dowsing. The certification makes it seem as if there is an academic assessment and validation behind the course (which I don’t think there is) and the EM bit implies a scientific basis (which it doesn’t).
I hesitate to use the PS word but I’m worried that this approach is a science/academic veneer over belief based subjects.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 08:19
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On 2013-02-11 18:20, cropredy wrote:
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On 2013-01-14 16:05, hamish wrote:
Maria is a no nonsense Dowser,she says it as it is with no weird pseudo-scientific explanations.I have been round Avebury with her and Busty a few times,They say,this is what we do, try it.
I shall be back there again in April.
H
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http://www.theaveburyexperience.co.uk/dowsingprofessionally.html
This is what they say ....I trust Tiompan will look at this to see if there is any pseudo science content????
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Silence is golden.
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2013-02-12 00:28
I think we need a time out guys, this has descended into using multiple quotes which makes it hard for everyone to follow and there's a fair bit of ad hominem creeping in too.
Rune
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