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Respond to: Stonehenge Landscape Walks January 2013
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Andy B
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|  New Message Posted!2013-01-16 17:37
Just a reminder about the second walk - but please check as the first one was cancelled.
Could you take your Stonehenge discussions into another thread now please!
Winter archaeology walk
Saturday, 19 January 2013 2pm - 4:30 pm Adult £5, Child £0 (under 16)
Explore the wider Stonehenge World Heritage Site with a guide and discover hidden histories, ancient mysteries and winter wildlife.
Enjoy a winter afternoon walk up on the downs learning about the ancient archaeology of the Stonehenge World Heritage Site and the area's varied wildlife. On this three mile walk with views of the stone circle, we'll visit ancient earthworks that have revealed much about the people who once lived and celebrated here. Talking points include the Cursus, the many and varied barrows, and an ancient avenue connecting ceremonial centres.
More Information: Lucy Evershed, 01980 664780, stonehenge@nationaltrust.org.uk
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/stonehenge-landscape/
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Feanor
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| New Message Posted!2013-01-11 14:29
Sem - that's a disappointment, as it sounds as though it would have been very interesting and fun. Were I there I would have gone.
George,
Once again you steal my thunder ...
Once again you're right and I am not.
In re-checking, it seems I was using a poorly articulated reference for the claim of alignment.
In reviewing an actual Ephemeris it seems that the Solstice Sunrise occurs quite a bit more southerly.
I will stand by my remarks concerning the Barrow's proximity to the Henge and the curiously parallel lines, among others, but obviously the Solstice alignment is off the table.
Neil
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2013-01-10 19:26
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On 2013-01-09 14:22, sem wrote:
I've been trying to find out more about 11/1/13 walk for the last 3 days! I was trying to find out whether you can just turn up on the day as my trip would involve 5 hours driving, bridge tolls etc and I was not prepared to pay in advance for a walk that might involved getting soaked - I can do that in South Wales for free. However, numerous calls have only put me through to a voice-message and leaving my tel no has not resulted in a return call.
Looks like I won't be going.
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Suprise, suprise! I finally got an answer at 1.45pm GMT today - only to be told that the walk had been cancelled due to "a lack of interest."
On who's part they declined to say!
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| New Message Posted!2013-01-10 16:56
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| Jon's wordless riff on my picture seems to show an angle of 24 degrees from the North point of the Ditch to the center of the Barrow. ~24 degrees is the Axial Tilt, so perhaps this is also significant in some way, other than co-incidence? |
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It's exactly the same arrangement as on page 48 Neil. I thought you had spotted it.
Got my first negative review today. Must have riled someone. It's a "Tom Flowers" type of review with the exception that they didn't actually go to the bother of reading it before wading in to say that everything in the book is wrong.
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On 2013-01-10 15:00, Feanor wrote:
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On 2013-01-10 09:25, tiompan wrote:
Neil , Just the SH - barrow bit.
George
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George,
Well, it turns out that the east-bound run of the Avenue aligns to the WS Sunrise, which is kinda cool.
What else might there be?
We hark back to Amesbury 11 and its proximity to Great Henge. The distance between the two is equivalent to the diameter of Stonehenge's Ditch.
The diameter of the Barrow's crown is equivalent to that of the Stone Circle, defined by the pre-existing Station Stones.
It then occurred that the angle of instance between the two was identical to the East-run of the Avenue.
So, within the paradigm of the above concept, the Barrow's shape, size, proximity, & angle from the center of the Big Monument tend to indicate that it was placed there as a representation of the Sun at Sunrise on the Winter Solstice.
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Neil
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Neil , maybe I'm missing something but the SH Avenue doesn't point to the winter solstcie sunrise , although the orientation of the E-W section is similar to centre of SH to centre of Amesbury 11 .
George
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| Stonehenge represented, in addition to several other evolutionary things, an Earth-Centric Cosmos. With the Stone Circle as Earth, the Sun's noon & midnight positions at either Solstice, the Moon's position at high & low Standstill, the location of Stonehenge on the earth's sphere and the Axial Tilt of the planet are demonstrated. |
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Still haven't convinced myself about the moon. Needs an afternoon nearby Stonehenge to show why, though the same thing exists near sem over in the area where MPP is doing all that stuff about quarrying.
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| The Avenue clearly aligns to the Summer Solstice Sunrise, but we have come to understand the significance in the Neolithic of the Winter Solstice being at least equally important. |
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Or perhaps much more important? I'm still not convinced about the Summer Solstice lark.
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On 2013-01-10 09:25, tiompan wrote:
Neil , Just the SH - barrow bit.
George
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George,
As you may recall some months ago (like 9 or 10) I was trying to make sense of the Amesbury 11 Bell Barrow.
Its proximity to SH Must have had more significance other than just being some Big-Shot's grave. It's too close and I cannot see how they would have allowed it unless its purpose was in some way complimentary.
As you're most likely aware, it is my contention that Stonehenge represented, in addition to several other evolutionary things, an Earth-Centric Cosmos. With the Stone Circle as Earth, the Sun's noon & midnight positions at either Solstice, the Moon's position at high & low Standstill, the location of Stonehenge on the earth's sphere and the Axial Tilt of the planet are demonstrated.
The Avenue clearly aligns to the Summer Solstice Sunrise, but we have come to understand the significance in the Neolithic of the Winter Solstice being at least equally important.
So then I wondered if there might be something else which 'commemorated' this event other than Sunset through the Great Trilithon. The corollary wooden 'Sister Henge' at Durrington has this Sunrise alignment in its short Avenue, so maybe there was something at the Stone Monument as well.
Well, it turns out that the east-bound run of the Avenue aligns to the WS Sunrise, which is kinda cool.
What else might there be?
We hark back to Amesbury 11 and its proximity to Great Henge. The distance between the two is equivalent to the diameter of Stonehenge's Ditch.
The diameter of the Barrow's crown is equivalent to that of the Stone Circle, defined by the pre-existing Station Stones.
It then occurred that the angle of instance between the two was identical to the East-run of the Avenue.
So, within the paradigm of the above concept, the Barrow's shape, size, proximity, & angle from the center of the Big Monument tend to indicate that it was placed there as a representation of the Sun at Sunrise on the Winter Solstice.
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Jon's wordless riff on my picture seems to show an angle of 24 degrees from the North point of the Ditch to the center of the Barrow. ~24 degrees is the Axial Tilt, so perhaps this is also significant in some way, other than co-incidence?
Best,
Neil
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| New Message Posted!2013-01-10 09:25
Neil , Just the SH - barrow bit.
George
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On 2013-01-09 22:58, tiompan wrote:
Neil, I can't see how 2) ,the solstice part , applies .
George
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I'm sorry my friend - I'm not sure I understand the question ...
Are you asking about the Avenue Exit or the Bell Barrow conjecture?
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Feanor
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On 2013-01-09 22:58, tiompan wrote:
Neil, I can't see how 2) ,the solstice part , applies .
George
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I'm sorry my friend - I'm not sure I understand the question ...
Are you asking about the Avenue Exit or the Bell Barrow conjecture?
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