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rogeralbin
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|  New Message Posted!2012-12-11 01:32
Simply because there is a Taboo on causing death in that fashion in Ethiopia today does not mean the Zulu of the Nineteenth centuary or Neolithic Europeans had the same social restraints.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2012-12-10 18:33
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On 2012-12-10 17:52, AnewMerlinian wrote:
rogeralbin, thank you for the response . I'm glad you're thinking and using your imagination, though i disagree with this particular suggestion .
From the reports and photos of those who've been there, non-lethal Stick fighting is a strong tradition in these parts of Africa ; and is considered a test of bravery . The sticks can easily split skin and even bark, but it is considered taboo to kill the opponent in that arena .
Perhaps this man intends to give the intruders a thrashing when they reappear ; but he must also be aware of the danger he is in... My words are not adequate .
Kevin, thanks again for your support .
And for your intuition . It hadn't occurred to me that the materials of the shield might be significant . But this is clearly one that's been around for a while, perhaps handed down, and the possibility that the leather was from a select animal is very persuasive . If so, an animate spirit could be believed innate within it .
[ This message was edited by: AnewMerlinian on 2012-12-10 18:07 ]
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AnewMerlinian
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| New Message Posted!2012-12-10 17:52
rogeralbin, thank you for the response . I'm glad you're thinking and using your imagination, though i disagree with this particular suggestion .
From the reports and photos of those who've been there, non-lethal Stick fighting is a strong tradition in these parts of Africa ; and is considered a test of bravery . The sticks can easily split skin and even bark, but it is considered taboo to kill the opponent in that arena .
Perhaps this man intends to give the intruders a thrashing when they reappear ; but he must also be aware of the danger he is in... My words are not adequate .
Kevin, thanks again for your support .
And for your intuition . It hadn't occurred to me that the materials of the shield might be significant . But this is clearly one that's been around for a while, perhaps handed down, and the possibility that the leather was from a select animal is very persuasive . If so, an animate spirit could be believed innate within it .
[ This message was edited by: AnewMerlinian on 2012-12-10 18:07 ]
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2012-12-08 19:16
Anew,
Relieved to see You at least recieved one reply.
What is the shield made from?
If it is hide , it was alive.
All recent living materials retain a strong interaction with that which I have waffled about upon here, basically the life enabling force.
by shaping locally any artifact , especially with very specific materials, then a local manipulation can be achieved of this force.
With the shield in particuler I would recommend how CHI masters are able to locally utilise this force to deflect any attack.
This is a SHIELD, nes pas??
Think of how that shield is held in the hand, and how a persons personal CHI field could be better focussed?
I have only posted out of frustration at seeing the quality of Your posts been almost ignored.....ridiculous, You are head and shoulders above anyone else I have ever encountered in this stone head region.
Brilliant set of posts.
Kevin
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rogeralbin
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| New Message Posted!2012-12-07 02:13
The part of the image that intruiged me was the offensive stick. I have long believed that in early warfare that a short stabbing flint tipped spear would be a better weapon than a stone axe.
If the flint tips at neolithic battle sites are from stabbing spears rather than arrows I would suggest the numbers involved in a pitched battle would be far larger than from an archer encounter and give a different perspective on Neolithic warfare.
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AnewMerlinian
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| New Message Posted!2012-12-03 19:36
This is a duplicate of a post made to the Stones Forum, i am reposting it here so that it can get the input of the dowsers, et cetera
There is a photo taken by flickr member Eric Lafforgue which shows an African man of the Bodi tribe, (Ethiopia), preparing to defend his ancestral land with traditional weapons, (a stick and a shield), against modern incursion backed by his government, (which is supported by mine as part of the "War on Terror") . The Ethiopian government means to take those lands and lease them to a foreign company for 1 euro per hectare per year to grow (i believe) sugar cane . As troops have already fired upon, (and killed), natives in the area, what we may be looking at is a photo of a doomed man.
Here is a link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytripsmypics/7821617902
What is of interest to me, beyond the drama, is the design of his shield. It very closely resembles the plan of a Bell Barrow, (familiar in the British landscape). Wikipedia has a page on these saying that daggers are a common find within, possibly indicating that this was a traditional burial form for a brave Bronze-Age warrior. I note in particular the roundish exposed spot of the lashing holding the shield to its handle, (facing the viewer), for its similarity to an entrance.
My belief is that there is a good chance European Stone Age traditions had (recognizable) roots in an African Urkultur, thus the study of traditional African practices may shed light upon this milieu. I have not heard of Bell Barrows in Africa, so i accept their practices were likely to have been different in this respect ... however, this shield may be of a classic and well traveled Stone Age design, in use in both places into the Bronze Age, (and it would seem beyond), which the culture as it evolved in the Isles decided to apply to burial practices for its symbolism and what magic may have been believed associated with it.
This post is based upon one i made as 'Anew' to the 'Alternative Theories' forum of the site stonepages.com.
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