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 New Message Posted!2012-10-22 23:38   
I think Phil Harding could do flint napping in his sleep - oh and drinking a pint of beer in his sleep should be easy too.

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 New Message Posted!2012-10-22 06:41   
Re: Rescue archaeology prior to development at US sites.

Varies, but I believe all federal and most state government funded development requires at least a survey. Privately funded development on private land does not require such examination.. The locality (state and local) can have a huge bearing on exceptions for private land.

The exception in all cases, is if human remains are found. Then, in almost all cases, an archeaological assessment and rescue is required.



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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 23:07   
Phil could do something on flink napping

Is that one of those skills he's so familiar with he could do it in his sleep?






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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 22:40   
It will be sad to see the end of Time Team, but perhaps Phil Harding and some of the other people on the programme could have their own programmes on their own specialised subjects. Phil could do something on flink napping, Francis Pryor could, I'm sure, do something with regard to Flag Fen. So, I think it will continue but not as Time Team as we know it. I will miss Time Team that's for sure.

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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 20:07   
Dont worry my fellow portal heads this want be the end. Just a new begining, it want be long before we see Phil, Mike and Tony on the box again doing something new...

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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 19:04   
Andy

I confess that I'm not a specialist in American archaeology and I'm not entirely sure how many development sites in the US are professionally excavated. But it is my understanding that mechanical excavation might be employed after traditional excavation had been completed, to be sure that the full extent of the areas of interest had been examined. Maybe some of the American users of the site could answer this question more fully.

However, is it not true that all excavation anywhere involves destruction of the site? Mortimer Wheeler himself said this in his fine 1954 book Archaeology from the Earth:-

”At the best, excavation is destruction; and destruction unmitigated by all the resources of contemporary knowledge and accumulated experience cannot be too rigorously impugned.” (p15)

My point was to emphasize that though the use of heavy plant speeds up removal of overburden and makes good television, it seems very incongruous when compared to careful troweling and brushing away context around important deposits and finds.


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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 14:46   
Equinox, in the US what % of sites are professionally excavated at all prior to development? And how are potentually valulable sites identified?

I'm not looking for an argument, just interested.

[ This message was edited by: Andy B on 2012-10-21 14:47 ]

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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 09:26   
I'm going to be controversial here and say that while I will certainly miss watching Tony R, Phil H, Mick A and the rest of the Time Team on C4, I will not miss watching their heavy plant ripping into yet another prehistoric archaeology site.

I'm not sure exactly who introduced the JCB to British archaeology, but I suspect the justification would have been time constraints associated with developer funded "rescue"excavations. But what would future archeologists think about this in say, 150 years time? We are already re-excavating Aubrey holes and other excavated areas at Stonehenge in an attempt to recover previously unrecorded data using "modern" techniques.

The use of heavy earth-moving plant at archeological sites in the US is not popular and I believe all spoil from excavations is sieved. The one advantage with Time Team's approach is that their excavations are professionally filmed and this will provide a huge resource for future archaeologists.





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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 00:44   
hopefully someone will have a cunning plan to replace it...

(I'll get me smock)

Andy B



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 New Message Posted!2012-10-21 00:11   
More from Tim T claiming all is not over
http://www.scribd.com/doc/110569680/Tim-s-Response-to-Guardian-Article-on-Time-Teams-Future

Also on there as a bonus (seemingly legit) is a complete ebook copy of Mick Aston's classic 1985 book
Interpreting the Landscape. Landscape Archaeology and Local History
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36538721/Interpreting-the-Landscape-Landscape-Archaeology-and-Local-History

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