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tiompan
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|  New Message Posted!2012-10-10 19:06
That's in in a nutshell , there is no direct evidence for the transport of the Bluestones by human agency just as there is no direct evidence that humans lifted the lintels it's simply not there , although in the latter case there is no doubt that it was done by human agency .
Similarly there is no direct evidence that the bluestones were moved to , at best , within 15 K from Stonehenge or even entrained from any of the potential Preseli sites . Just because a glacier is capable of doing so doesn't mean that it did , same thing applies to the human agency theory . Lots of energy spent discussing the impasse but not much light , however apart from the debate we do know a bit more than we did due to the provenancing .
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On 2012-10-10 18:30, cerrig wrote:
Having now finished the book by Mountainman, it has to be said that he has made a very convincing case for glacial involvement. He has admitted that it isn't a knockout case, but it does put a lot of reality into the debate that was, for most people anyway, missing.
There has to be some doubt about natural forces taking the stones to Wiltshire, simply because the hard evidence is incomplete , and a fair bit of theory has to be believed as well.
This is, of course, also true for the human transport theory too, but crucially, the question of human involvement is obviously not in doubt, it's the amount that's controversial.
The problem with both theories is that neither of them can join Preseli to Stonehenge without a large dose of circumstantial evidence.
Some professional analysis of Mountainmans evidence would be very welcome now.
The jury is still out, but it's split 
Cerrig
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| New Message Posted!2012-10-10 18:30
Having now finished the book by Mountainman, it has to be said that he has made a very convincing case for glacial involvement. He has admitted that it isn't a knockout case, but it does put a lot of reality into the debate that was, for most people anyway, missing.
There has to be some doubt about natural forces taking the stones to Wiltshire, simply because the hard evidence is incomplete , and a fair bit of theory has to be believed as well.
This is, of course, also true for the human transport theory too, but crucially, the question of human involvement is obviously not in doubt, it's the amount that's controversial.
The problem with both theories is that neither of them can join Preseli to Stonehenge without a large dose of circumstantial evidence.
Some professional analysis of Mountainmans evidence would be very welcome now.
The jury is still out, but it's split
Cerrig
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-27 18:52
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On 2012-09-27 14:49, PeteG wrote:
ignore the bluestones found on Silbury bit. This is a missprint in the report Brian had at the time.
As it now stands 4 pieces of small bluestone were found on the summit. One by Atkinson in 1970 and 3 by Jim Leary in 2007.
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Sounds suspicious, perhaps they were put there fairly recently. Odd little stones and memento's at these places isn't uncommon.
Cerrig
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-27 14:49
ignore the bluestones found on Silbury bit. This is a missprint in the report Brian had at the time.
As it now stands 4 pieces of small bluestone were found on the summit. One by Atkinson in 1970 and 3 by Jim Leary in 2007.
PeteG
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-27 10:31
Half way through the book. The case for the Defence in "the Establishment V Mountainman" has concluded . Very interesting so far, lots of curious and imaginative theories about, not very complimentary to the Archaeologists though, or Geomorphologists, or Historians, or English Heritage, but Robin Heath got a thumbs up 
The Defence will now present. I can't wait to see who wins, the suspense is unbearable.
Cerrig
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-24 17:36
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On 2012-09-20 20:48, cerrig wrote:
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On 2012-09-20 20:19, Andy B wrote:
Cerrig, PM me your address and I'll send you my copy of Brian John's book,(The Bluestones Enigma)
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That's very generous of you Andy, but if you sell this book through this site I will aquire a copy that way. (you may need your copy to be a referee)
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Book arrived today, through Andy's link above, from Amazon(£8.96)  . I look just like this smilie when I read.
Cerrig
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-24 16:59
Hi Feather and welcome.
In profile, the terrain from Wales to Wilts is up and down, a lot. Like a small range of large hills and a few mountains.
So while it would be comparatively easy to sled a counterbalanced large lump of stone down an icy path, in your dream, how did the people move the stones up the correspondingly steep uphill icy paths to cross the next ridge? That's what we all want to know 
Rune
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On 2012-09-24 14:48, feather wrote:
I dreamed that the stones were moved in winter, tied to a sledge, and dragged down an icy trail. Easier to handle the weights with ropes, and slide it down to Wiltshire. 
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-24 14:48
I dreamed that the stones were moved in winter, tied to a sledge, and dragged down an icy trail. Easier to handle the weights with ropes, and slide it down to Wiltshire.
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-23 10:01
Sem,
I'm pretty sure the matches for Rhosyfelin would have been from the Stonehenge "layer " in the Darvill- Wainwright case .The one near the Heelstone possibly from the layer , I don't know for sure .
George
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On 2012-09-23 00:11, sem wrote:
George
Were the "matches" taken from bits of stone in the ground or from "The Stones"?
Sem
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| New Message Posted!2012-09-23 00:11
George
Were the "matches" taken from bits of stone in the ground or from "The Stones"?
Sem
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