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tiompan
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|  New Message Posted!2013-05-21 17:52
Tom , I'm not quite sure what you are saying but geoglyphs are something specific and while it may be possible to dowse one , simply dowsing and coming up with a design does not make it a geoglyph .
You didn't mention how many markers were used for the petals .
When dowsing spirals do you ever start at the extreme point and work towards the centre ?
George
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-21 17:44
You often mention lies , other favourites seem to be crap and stupid .
Primary 2 ?
Read through the posts on this thread and see how many are off topic in relation to me and yourself , it does involve counting .
Your rods move and you believe that it is due to some unrecordable force . Why should you believe that when there are far simpler more obvious explanations . Further you believe this force is the cause of the siting of megalithic sites , once again with nothing to support that belief . why believe something so unlikely when there are far simpler explanations . Then we have the wonderful “everything is made from the substance flowing along the lines “ . Once again why believe something so unlikely and with nothing to support it ?
Most of us realise why you believe it but once it has been said what more is there to say ,apart fro mthe primary 2 stuff which seems to have replace it . ? You might actually provide something to support it that would be interesting .
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-21 10:27
One example of modern pseudo-scientific censorship is the case of ley-lines. I can`t believe Dr. Watkins knew not their rightful old name - WODEN`S ROUTES.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_line : "Watkins never attributed any supernatural significance to leys; he believed that they were simply pathways that had been used for trade or ceremonial purposes, very ancient in origin, possibly dating back to the Neolithic, certainly pre-Roman." - Wouldn`t it be more logical to develop psychology of religions, instead of pretending there were no such traditions imprinted since time immemorial in everyone`s mind!?
I know the rightful name for the ley-lines but it doesn`t mean that I`m a practicing natural-religion believer or a magician. But when someone wants to discuss ley-lines with me I must refuse, because this name do not represent any "reality", in my eyes. We should also remember that people using Woden`s routes considered themselves as being not only material bodies as we nowadays pretend to be.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-21 09:52
Vlad,
As ever , excellent reasonings.
The one god stopped the finer points of the multitude of lesser gods been identified.
But at least BELIEVERS still had this mythical god to defer to due to their own personal lack of been able to fathom out any of this fabulous universe.
Now We have this super god called science , that is totally compartmentalised, and nobody is allowed to question it's laws ( bible)
This is an electric/magnetic universe that is alive, space is not an empty nothing ....all is one... just acting under local conditions.
We are products of the condition relative to the thin sliver at the surface of this planet, and science is based on that tiny area, stating that all of universe must obey to those laws.
Luckily this is the MEGALITHIC PORTAL... a sort of time machine where the focus is upon a time where no such laws of current science existed, and mankind relied very much more of ALL of their senses.
To know the future, We must understand the past, our current science is lost in explaining this past, thus the megaliths globally are viewed as nothing but gravestones, and bulldozed into oblivion if they interfere with current science driven profit madness.
cropredy ...need a soap box.
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-21 09:35
That was a good one, kevin - "short distance survival senses". As for my position, I`m still convinced that it`s "science", which is modern black magic, as it robbed former gods of their domination "tools".
From the other angle, how can scientists treat those futile 5% of knowledge they has acquired as representing the Whole of the World? Statistically, the causative chains for our world should begin within those 95% unknown reality around and the only decent answer to any question should be - "We (the scientists) don`t know." The ultimate causes of any event within the human world are simply unknown, as being hidden in those 95 per cent around..
Before, there were gods and then the one God, we could rely upon that they could steer our tiny human world through the mists of the Unknown, in a right way. "Scientists" dethroned all those personages but gave us no authority to replace the old one. Repeating censored questions like a mechanical doll to acquire logical but meaningless answers, doesn t satisfy modern humans.
Since humanity diversified into social classes, imo local rulers tried purposefully to push the Unknown from the locations they
had in hands into the world`s outskirts. One of examples are the Islands of the Blessed belonging to Kronos, out in the Atlantic. The panhellenic religion of 12 Olympian Gods is another ingenious case of pushing the supernatural out of the human world into some misty spheres. The reclaimed Earth was to be ruled by the mighty.
But those are not man-made sanctuaries, which decide about spiritual traits of a land (temenos) they were built upon. To keep it short; you needn`t look into some telescopes to find the Mystery. It`s still here around you. Those 95 per cent of the Unknown you can find equally well at your home and in your close neighbourhood.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-21 09:10
Davidmorgan,
Still not 5 out of five.
I have never said that light doesn't shine....I have said that light occurs.
There is no light in space, it is dark, except for the pockets of where light is occuring.
If the sun was a big torch like beam...surely You would be able to see this beam at night going out into space....but no, the light doesn't then occur.
It is really difficult to drop the indoctrination that We are subjected to constantly which is presented as absolute fact, once You do though , it enables a better comprehension of the subject this site is dedicated to, We are fooled by our dominant senses, which are short distance survival senses.
cropredy
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-21 08:58
Tiompan,
I assume You are talking to Me????
YOU...GEORGE are the one pulling threads off track into this constant garbage of stupidity that Your above post is typical of.
Post at 22;43.
You again are posting crap, and LIES
Your method is to constantly infere untruths.
YOU...GEORGE are the troll.
I have been extra carefull in this thread at trying to stay on thread, but YOU...GEORGE have taken it off course as powerfully as that tornado in America.
cropredy
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-21 08:16
cancelled
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ledgehammer
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-20 23:46
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| Tom , Dowsing a pattern doesn't make it a geoglyph .
What make you think I don't “like “ Fibonacci . He was a fine mathematician who introduced eastern concepts into the discipline ,what's not to like .?
Yes spirals have been and are still a common feature of dowsing plans .
If they change then that is interesting .
Being blindfolded and someone marking out the shapes then you or someone else replicating the same feature at the same spot would be also be interesting .
George |
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"Geoglypths" or rather "pictograms" is the adoptive phrase, differentiating from an actual phenomena to pre-conception is a difficult one for an outsider to judge, as speculated previously (here I think).
Fibonacci (meaning the use of fibonacci to explain nature in a far more basic way than it is), I haven't evidence of fibonacci but the spiral looked very similar to a fibonacci spiral (actually in part to my dismay, but further indications suggest repeatability)
With your final sentence, If I dowsed something and marked it out, then someone else were to this isn't full proof, as some tests seem to indicate a trace of dowsing remnance (I am not sure how), kind of like an imprint. I find myself dowsing blind folded a lot these days, as the experience increases so does confidence which can lead to wishful results, however this process can be most time consuming, but it is surprising how much difference it makes.
perhaps a series of shapes being dowsed in the same location, and then these shapes measured for correlation? That is assuming the shapes are not person specific (very unlikely). Most dowsers haven't investigated this avenue too much, its my new project.
Best
Tom
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davidmorgan
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| New Message Posted!2013-05-20 23:40
"4 out of five. "
Not bad. I got the last one wrong, did I?
Should be...
Cropredy - "I can't because you're an unbeliever who won't see the light that doesn't shine"
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