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|  New Message Posted!2013-06-14 18:38
cerrig - that's a marvelous post! unlike much of the posts on here i was able to understand and enjoy what you had to say. thank you for sharing your observations, truly intriguing and informative.
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-14 17:35
Ric ,
yep that Shap. It has been said to house a similar double serpent avenue like Avebury.
I am very sceptical about Avebury being solely an alignment feature although there must be some. Its a shame that there's little left of it to compare with Avebury as this would be very indicative (perhaps).
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Tom
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-14 17:30
Many thanks,Do you mean this Shap please?http://www.visitcumbria.com/evnp/gunnerkeld-stone-circle/Will look out the 1955 Thom Have visited Avebury on numerous occasions. Someone ought to write a book not just about Avebury but about the Avebury region and all the lost monuments whose ghosts people the Avebury horizons. Perhaps Julian Cope or someone like that, and all the anecdotes and folklore which surrounds these sites.Avebury will never be restored at the present level of popular awareness and that suits EH and the National Trust. They don't like Avebury because as a 'business venture' it is a nuisance, it is too vast to fence off and charge admission for, and more visitors mean more maintenance costs, so the tragically low profile of Avebury suits EH and NT well.A new book might begin to reverse this - a book which lists and even attempts to profile all the recently discovered buried standing stones at Avebury and on the Beckhampton Avenue, some of which were uncovered only to be hastily spaded under again.The sad reburying of Avebury's stones is highly symbolic, a perpetuation of past actions - in that sense it can be seen as a ritual action. It prints it loud and clear that the mindset which mostly wrecked Avebury and many other sites from the Middle Ages to the 18th century is still very much alive and with us. It calls itself secular and progressive in the 21st century but it is basically puritan to the core. This mindset has been unfortunately exported to Ireland which is now seeing the final demise of its language and the destruction of its megalithic heritage on a catastrophic scale.Am based in south London.The more Stonehenge is explored and it's landscape context, the more we will learn about the monument. A lot of folklore is of the tall story category, but bits and pieces can shed light on the past. I was amazed to discover recently that the curiously named Heel Stone at Stonehenge is phonetically similar to the modern Welsh word for the sun. That could be a red herring, or possibly not?http://en.es-static.us/upl/2011/12/Stonehenge_heel_stone.jpegRic
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-10 22:29
Cerrig , I don't agree that the full moon rise on 23 June will be on the same poistion on the horizon as the winter solstice sun rise .Depending on where you are in the UK the two points could differ by 6- 9 degrees .
George
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-10 20:57
Of course it's a detectable event , people have known about it for millenia .
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-10 20:24
"Not a striking visual event"
A striking none visual and detectable event.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-10 20:20
Cerrig,
Wonderfull post...for a Welsh man.
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cerrig
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-10 20:03
For what it's worth, I would like to offer an observation I have made regarding the Moon at Easter time, and it's links to the Sun, and also the use of alignments for both.
It's a peculiarity of the horizon rising position of a full moon that the Sun will rise in the same position 6 months later. This means that the upcoming full moon on June 23rd will be rising in the far South East, in the position of the winter solstice Sun(approx). The Sunrise on June 23rd will be in the far North East in the summer solstice position. This is the extreme end of the differences between the Sun/Full Moon positions.
As the year progresses and the sun moves further South, the Full moon will move further North, still maintaining the 6 month relationship. There will come a time when it is possible, even though it's not too common an occurrence, that the Full moon and the Sun, rise at the same place, on the same day, and still maintain the 6 month separation as previously mentioned. This makes perfect sense if you come back 6 months after this date and again see the Sun rise from the same spot.
This date is the Equinox, and occasionally the Full moon does occur on this day, but of course at Sunset, which happens to be at approximately the same time of day as the moon rises at this time of year, in the UK. It is also the day the Sun rise position changes from one side of the East/West line to the other, depending on whether it's heading South or North. The Full Moon rise will be changing also, but heading in the other direction.
Generally, the Full moon misses the exact day of an Equinox, but this time of year is still very much a time of coming together for the Sun and Moon, and this can be seen readily in the shadows cast by both bodies.
I have posted before about the shadows cast by Maen Llia standing stone, but not much about it's sexuality. It would seem to me to be both Male and Female, depending on the angle it's viewed from. North to South it is very obviously phallic.
East to West is the traditional Female shape.
What is really interesting to me is that the shadow cast by both the sun and full moon swap over at the Equinox, with the Sun casting the shadow into the nearby stream during the summer, and the full moon doing the same during the winter, again maintaining the 6 months separation, only coming together at the Equinox.
This has fertility symbolism written all over it to me. 
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-10 19:06
"I very much doubt that quartz is available everywhere, especially in huge lumps , as per there recumbents. "
That may explain why there are so few despite your earlier mention
"But what should not be ignored is the stones composition themselves, especially quartz. "
However quartz is very common including the area that RSC 's are found in , there would have been no problem in finding material for the stones of the circle if necessary .
"The extremes of the moon at 18.6 years appears well noted relative to these stones? "
But as mentioned it is the visual impact of the low summer moon skimming along the top of the recumbent that is a far more common feature of the aignment of RSC's not the max extremes which by their nature are not a striking visual event .
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| New Message Posted!2013-06-10 18:46
I very much doubt that quartz is available everywhere, especially in huge lumps , as per there recumbents.
But I have very high confidence in our ancestors abilities in knowing what a range of differing materials were capable of.
http://www.odysseyadventures.ca/articles/stone-circles/recumbents/article_stonecircles_recumbents.htm
The extremes of the moon at 18.6 years appears well noted relative to these stones?
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