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davidmorgan
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|  New Message Posted!2012-05-26 08:25
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| On 2012-05-25 22:16, sem wrote:
Yes it was fascinating, but I couldn't help thinking that while Robin was talking about "Dark Age Greece" (c900BC) he didn't mention earlier cultures like Mycene, Crete etc.
It seemed to me he'd decided when the chicken laid the egg, as opposed to where the chicken came from. |
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I was wondering about that as well. I think he was trying to point out the origins of Greek literacy after the "dark age", with the Greek alphabet being adopted from the Phoenician one - there being no connection to the Mycenaean Linear B.
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| New Message Posted!2012-05-26 08:08
It`s all about insecurity of humans in a world much wider than their everyday mind-tools and holyday`s concepts. Reducing reality to numbers is a simple method of blocking that insecurity. The other side of this coin is the belief that we are in control of the world, as were the builders of STONEHENGE. Thus, "The Stone Mathematics" of Neil L. Thomas has a chance to calm some stressed minds with the well-proven medicine.
I haven`t seen the TRAVELLING HEROES but from your notes comes out that the aim of that programme was similar to the above book. When someone is saying that Greek myths are barely a bunch of borrowed Sumerian nonsensical child-tales, the effect of calming the modern minds is nearly the same as making modern mathematicians out of the Stonehenge builders.
IMO The way out of this trap is acknowledging that megalithic constructions were signposts of the "parallel world", where some specialists were trained to contact the Underworld and/or Heavens to the benefit of their people. Maybe the whole range of books by MIRCEA ELIADE could be of help in spreading this knowledge. And I suppose you could get them cheap from some stores, to re-sell them here.
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On 2012-05-24 08:05, davidmorgan wrote:
A good programme on TV last night - Greek Myths: Tales of Travelling Heroes - showing how the Greek myths were adaptations of stories originating in the near east.
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Hello David
Yes it was fascinating, but I couldn't help thinking that while Robin was talking about "Dark Age Greece" (c900BC) he didn't mention earlier cultures like Mycene, Crete etc.
It seemed to me he'd decided when the chicken laid the egg, as opposed to where the chicken came from.
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2012-05-24 16:33
Some heroes did travel a lot, as for instance Heracles. But even in his case there are many doubts. OK. Rooting out the cults of some monsters belonging mainly to Artemis and instead spreading out the cult of Argive Hera is maybe the core of Heracleian tradition. At this stage, his travels were restricted to the Peloponnese, over which the ruler of Mycenae wanted to strengthen his rule.
Then, a hero of Thebes became assimilated to the personality of Heracles and the range of his travels was broadened by Central Greece. Next, in the age of the great Greek colonisation, every colony wanted to have Heracles as a local heroic ancestor and the poor man was forced to travel between Gibraltar and Caucasus to inseminate all those nymphs of sovereignty. And still more travels were added to his life-story under the hellenistic age, after Alexander`s conquerings.
Those things has been known to the general public since long time ago. It`s been not the case with the travels of Perseus, which started at the Serifos island, when he promised the head of Medousa to king Polydectes. After some studying, I came to the conclusion that Perseus originally maybe travelled nowhere. He just changed his state of conscioussness and began to explore the "parallel world" of Serifos. (See e.g. the village of Graiai in Serifos) I`ve loaned this idea from theories on Odysseus moving not from the manor of Kirke, when travelling to the end of the known world. (Perhaps only afterwards, Kirke has been moved over in the same direction from Mt. Kerketeos in the Samos island?)
On this in-depth way, Perseus could have discovered the forgotten megalithic goddess of Serifos, who acted once as a "psychopompos", transferring souls of the deceased into a solid stony form. (c.f. Breton traditions of souls living in menhirs) In due course, Polydectes and his following underwent this process, too. That was the last time Medousa was known to offer the precious gift of petrifying to people.
Those megalithic methods were surely more economical than mummifying used by the Egyptians.
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| New Message Posted!2012-05-24 08:05
A good programme on TV last night - Greek Myths: Tales of Travelling Heroes - showing how the Greek myths were adaptations of stories originating in the near east.
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| New Message Posted!2012-05-23 19:12
Surely the Greeks inherited their mathematics from the Sumerians (via the Babylonians etc)?
Missed that comment first time round. That's the traditional view so it'll be interesting to see what he as to say about it. I would imagine he will be mentioning Thales and Pythagorus. The secretive pythagorean cult might also be an interesting exploration because of links to the hyperboreans via Abaris.
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| New Message Posted!2012-05-23 10:47
It's easy to see coincidences where there are none. Nevertheless, you've got to keep an open mind?
On weird coincidences, I've been looking at how you would go about proving that the earth is a sphere using a form of cardinal layout if you didn't have modern resources, so came up with a low-tech surveying experiment with the idea of photographing how it might be done. There's only one place in the local area where the surrounding topography could work so I went to take a look yesterday afternoon.
On arriving, there was a barrow at exactly the correct position, layout and diameter needed for the experiment, so I won't need to hike up as much kit as originally thought. Even better, there's one other barrow on the horizon at the correct azimuth to act as the primary reference marker. This experiment doesn't need maths because you can draw it out on the ground. Luckily, there also seems to be a suitable set of earthworks (a form of circular enclosure) adjacent to my newly found primary reference marker (I was going to use a tree and tie a yellow jacket to it).
Whatever these coincidences mean, they will make the experiment a lot easier to do.
Jon
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Pythagoras and Euclid taught their students philosophy and mathematical knowledge inherited from prehistoric western societies. |
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I'm very dubious about this, since "prehistoric western societies" appear to have been illiterate.
Surely the Greeks inherited their mathematics from the Sumerians (via the Babylonians etc)?
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| New Message Posted!2012-05-23 07:13
But what if starting assumptions for the whole pyramid of similar books - with this one at the top, are mostly wrong? IMO those geometric forms are created by gradients in the Earth aura, which trained geomancers can discern with ease. So the blueprint is already there. One should only pick up its fragments fitting one`s grandiose plans. Here are some seminal ideas supporting my view:
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/Paranada/paranada.htm
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| New Message Posted!2012-05-23 06:28
Hi Andy
Happy to do so. Didn't know you could get kindle for free:
Link's here for anyone else interested: Kindle
Cheers
Jon
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