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Message HTML : On BBCode : On	[quote] On 2012-04-10 11:07, JohnLindsay wrote: Now something longer, for I have worked out that putting stuff here, I can then access it at Senate House, and work out, or know, where the references are to be found. This is a bit of an accident that I have this text first in the stack. Field table Earthen long barrows White barrow, Payne 2000. Payne isn't in the bibliography. White Barrow is on Salisbury Plain, says Field. This is a wide, or big field. White Barrow is in the index, it says, see Tilshead. Now Tilshead I have found for I noticed the village sign as I read the section, in bus 2, from Salisbury to Devizes, or the other way, which is actually what I was doing. White Barrow must be checked in megalith but I suspect Tilshead will come up fine. Tilshead must be checked in google maps too, and perhaps I can find the post code. We jump to Aubrey and his actual writings are worth finding. We will leave out the material here. Ashbee Earthen long barrow isn't in the bibliography, so we will track that down and see whether it will save us a lot of time before we do much else. Kinnes is mentioned but without even a title so we don't know what it is. There is a Kinnes in the bibliography which might be worth finding. Darvill and Crawford is referred to but it isn't obvious that it is in the bibliography. There are enough there though that those should be found to save time. Then chapter 1 opens up with reference to jadeite hand axes, as neolithic, so we have a circularity. The jadeite axes wont appear again but we want to know more about them. There is one in Devizes. Then among some other stuff, we get Windmill Hill. This is the first place name I recognise. I know where that is. It is in the index. Hoare's Ancient Wiltshire I need to track down, it might clear up a lot of naming stuff. Therfield Heath, Royston is the first where the two components come together, Phillips, 1935, ProcPreSoc. Though if I didn't know it, I don't know whether Royston would mean much. I know that it works in Megalith. Badshot, Farnham pops up, now that makes a connection with Keiller and SAS, 1939. This is useful, for Farnham Museum didn't tell me of that. Clark, 1937 is ProcPreSoc but it is only two pages so don't hold breath. Now the first time I can make a connection, Clarendon Park, which I know, Fussell's Lodge, which I don't and Ashbee, 1966, which is Archaeologia, which is ICS, so that I can find. This is one of my spirals of virtue so I can use this for the ancients and moderns. It is also an OS matter and location awareness for which so far, we have nothing. Milston is the first one I cracked, Beacon Hill, but I haven't cracked it for I don't have a reference yet, or location, but that will come from Megalith. Stone and Beacon is another sort of combination I am after. Tilshead I cracked on the bus, now I can't tell whether I have written it here… search Tilshead, yes I have done it. Drew & Piggott give me a new matter, ProcPreSoc, 1936, apples and pears. This is a welcome addition. I should have mentioned the gardens connections earlier, that isn't however the main matter. South Street Avebury is a complete mystery, sorted by Megalith then by Ashbee, ProcPreSoc, 1979. This is hard work, and I can't even remember how I did it. Easton Down is my Bishop's Cannings connection, with Whittle, but no date, so no prisoners taken. That is the 49. Whittle turns out to be 1993, and ProcPreHist. I ought to have mentioned by now that ProcPreSoc has a web site with a simple search which will give you a reference and a chance to buy. The journal is in Senate House but not on open access, in the store in the tower, so you need to have a reference to find anything. Year or volume. This sort of detail goes somewhere or other. Downton pops up and that is luck, for I know where it is, find it on the map, and know it is X3 as I have been there before. Now for some references. There are groups of places with contexts, such as water, but no connections. Water or river doesn't appear in the index so I have done a bit of that. There is a table of radio carbon dating reports ordered by county, but that is it. Hambledon Hill has popped up a couple of times, with references but I'll need Megalith to find out where it is. Then Whitehawk pops up with 1936 reference but I already know Brighton book, so that will be the base line. Briar Hill pops up with a date but no author, I now know Briar Hill, as I stumbled upon it in Northampton, but from the reference you might presume that Briar Hill is an author then wonder why you can't find it in the bibliography. Many of the references aren't in the bibliography. But then Whitehawk isn't in the index either. Runnymede gives me Serjeantson, 2006. This is a huge step forward for I have wandered Runnymede, pots in BM, but much much later, unless BM is wrong. Neolithic Studies Group could be a Spiral of Virtue matter. A phallic object, perhaps, gives me Drew and Piggott, 1936, but a place in Dorset about which I know nothing. That might be Pevsner for Pevsner Dorset I have done already, otherwise Megalith. Nope, Thickthorn isn't a Pevsner place. Ground axes are all but missing, he says, (141) so why that jadeite reference? There is incidentally a bowl in the Avebury museum, from Windhill, and two illustrated in Field, so bowls we are in to. Little pottery, he says on 142. Devil's Den, Clatford, Marlborough but without reference or index, but add to my stack for I have found the Mound. Mounds not in his stack for he is doing earthen long barrows. There is a Brenthall, 1946 but not in bibliography. A visit with the text to the Devizes museum library is called for with all these place names. They have a card index there. Now to work through the bibliography after the manner of Bevis Grave, Camp Down, Bedhampton, 1974, HMSO. That found me Briar Hill, for it is Bamford, 1985. Some time I am going to become bored with this level of detail. How big is my table? It has taken me the best part of two days to get to this stage. Save the time of the user. Buckley, Rivenhall is wonderful, for the Essex case is about to reopen. 1988. ProcPreSoc. Earliest monuments in the British Isles is the sub title, but much of the text is devoted to showing there were much earlier ones, though perhaps that depends on what you want monument to mean. We probably need to add in here that for people who know earthen long barrows, who are experts in this matter, all this will be incomprehensible. People who know the river valleys out of Salisbury, all of this will be incomprehensible as they know the river valleys. For someone coming by the 09.41 from Surbiton, changing to the 10.16 at Woking, it is incomprehensible as he doesn't know the river valleys of Salisbury and doesn't know the names of the places, or anything much about earthen long barrows. So there is learning happening. To see the models built by Pitt Rivers in the Salisbury Museum will become much more meaningful once something is known of the names of the places to which they refer. Only some of them will be earthen long barrows, some will perhaps contain them, some will be of other places. The jadeite axe in Devizes will become more meaningful once one knows more about them. The pot in Avebury Museum from Windmill Hill will become more meaningful once one knows more of them. Everyone is knowing something, no one is knowing everything. Anyone reading this can add something, oh, I know that. Wonderful that worked, correctly formated. [/quote] Click to add Smilies into your Message: Click to add BBCode to your Message:

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New Message Posted!2012-08-03 11:59

this is true, but almost everyone would have access, it is a matter of knowing how or where, and I try to make sure that is posted; if it is Pastscape I nudge them, but we hit boundaries. Usually the local public library is my point of deposit. I am able sometimes to photocopy. The larger matter though is digitisation and getting stuff digitised is easier and easier, but deciding where to put it and who is responsible is another matter.

Those journals of course are obscure only because there isn't access, the older ones in particular are really important for they record what was found, no bones, barrows, axes sort of thing, or the record is made that there is no record, which might also be useful.

Snip included below for ease of concentration.

I.m experimenting with publishing on googledocs to see whether the cloud makes connections easier to make.

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On 2012-08-01 17:13, Andy B wrote:
Well if you have access to some of the obscure journals listed then it could be very useful, otherwise it's just frustrating!

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New Message Posted!2012-08-03 11:55

then of course, when in Essex CC libraries I don't need wifi, but it is interesting how difficulty finding wifi is, and how difficult the iPod Touch keys are to use on buses or in the sun, or even with my fingers.

There was a thing someone wanted me to comment on, but now I can't see it, so will need to go back to that screen.

part of what is being tested is my identity with higher education access means I have access to things which I don't have when in a different location, including wifi as special sort of location. Logging into shibboleth authenticated site allows that access but that is another layer of slowing down trafftc.

I'm also experimenting with making notes on the iPod Touch, and using google docs and others, now called the cloud, to make notes and compose knew know while mobile. That means that sites, the materials found, the locations, the records, and the bibliography becomes that little bit more connected.

The Vol 2 of the VCH is turning out with the range of maps and photographs, though dating from 1903 in the Essex case, to raise lots of really interesting issues.

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New Message Posted!2012-08-03 10:21

At last,working
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Essex county library and vch

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New Message Posted!2012-08-01 17:13

Well if you have access to some of the obscure journals listed then it could be very useful, otherwise it's just frustrating!

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New Message Posted!2012-07-31 13:52

biab

http://www.biab.ac.uk/all_content?search=Neolithic

has nearly six thousand for neolithic

adding causewayed enclosures reduces it to 44!

That can't be right either way.

This is called search.

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New Message Posted!2012-07-31 11:28

Now done Zetoc, four thousand four hundred hits for Neolithic!

http://zetoc.mimas.ac.uk/wzgw?any=Neolithic&ti=&au=&isn=&date=&form=general&id=31180392&fs=Search

unsorted.

then I added causewayed enclosures, down to five, with a sort capacity.

There is something missing in between?

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New Message Posted!2012-07-31 10:26

TOCS-IN needs to go into the list, I didn't realise until talking with Sue Willett that Antiquity things went in. Did a search on neolithic, and put the last year's hits onto a google doc for more work.

http://projects.chass.utoronto.ca/amphoras/tocs.html

then I don't know about too many bookmarks in one message, but the Oxford Archaeology

http://oxoniensia.org/

now has full text search and is digitised.

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New Message Posted!2012-06-29 10:24

back to andy space... with a really slow connection in a public library, ... this was why I started the hyphen-society, back in the stone age, to map the failures which are a consequence of ascii semantics clashes.... and the hyphen seemed the smallest unit. I would have used but of course you can't see it is there unless you give it a name. Jiscmail is the home of the hyphen-society (it has to have a - ) but most unstoneage (without hyphen) wont know Jiscmail.

Back to bibliography. Now add Gorlestone... for Murray, 1875 refers to the destruction of 10ft high stones circle in 1768 .. it doesn't appear in pastscape or in antiquity, so now to try to find out more.

And that rather gets me to the next step in bibliography, which is to use tables to build time and space to which is associated place name, for example Gorlestone, and author, in this case Murray. Murray has good index, so lots to track in Murray.

Periodisation laws are very dependent on domain specifics, so mapping Stonehenge time as an anchor, now made much easier, then using string hengetime which will map onto string neolithic with an appropriate number string. This will be case within subject archaeology which has number string 93 and in the island place string Britain will be 936. By using field time we can make a join with field place and field author. The next step is to use header tag for layer.

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New Message Posted!2012-06-26 11:07

stone hand axe achieves only 22 hits, this can't be right but I think I know what is happening. I've put up something on the stone hand axe matter already connecting with the neolithic, this is a words and things matter.

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New Message Posted!2012-06-26 11:03

ISI web of knowledge has a search within results facility which reduces with the string england to 158. Which wont be right either.

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