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ESgt
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|  New Message Posted!2012-08-07 13:49
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On 2012-03-07 09:10, cropredy wrote:
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On 2012-03-06 21:35, ledgehammer wrote:
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On 2012-03-06 20:57, cropredy wrote:
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On 2012-03-06 20:09, tiompan wrote:
As an example of how long it takes , even in relation to something simple like the meaning of two words . When first asked by Sem about the meaning of the oxymoron “ Lunar Solstice “ Cropredy took 7 posts trying to talk himself out of an impossible situation before finally saying “I do not buy the accepted, thus I cannot give a reference to something I see as fake. “ . If it takes all that for two words clearly oxmoronic a concept could take much longer . One bloke here argued for much longer about one point before finally admitting that it was all due to getting the wrong info in a pub . Does that mean we should ignore and not question such nonsense ?
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I do not appreciate My name used upon here been associated with some pub info.
Is this a thread about spirals, or WTF is it about???
cropredy
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Kevin,
Back onto spirals then chap, The spiral shape which I dowsed relating to the center point, incidently I was asking for nodes to see just how frequent they are following a valid point from George.
I find it difficult to accept via my dowsing that it was a configuration of straight lines, purely as I was dowsing from a singluar point, in order for the spiral to be a straight line configuration I would have had to be switching from more than one point i.e other nodes. This did not seem the case and the spiral seemed distinguished from any other points, and directly relating to the center point of the node.
Incidently I found the spirals to be larger based on their connection to wider lines, so no consistant grid. There may be a ratio present, but this is going to require extensive mapping with the strings and pegs.
How does this translate to you. Next question, how does this spiral transend vertically, in simplistic terms and relative to the one point and not others.
It will be difficult but this is possible to map on a simplistic level, and I suspect we should strive to do so.
Tom
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I am finished for good upon here Tom.
I leave You with this link , and tiompan can do what he likes with it.
All the best to You and all.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/daily-tpod/
Kevin
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Tom,
there's a nice book as shows how curves are generated from straight lines; here: http://uk.nicebooks.com/ISBN/9780956750709
Kevin,
My posting on a spiral discoverd, was rubbished by some here:
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Tractor with flat front tyre.
cropredy
I'm getting good at this map dowsing.
PID: 85164
Come along out of hidding now. Found you whilst plotting the Rollright Ley: http://www.leyhunters.co.uk/rollrightline.html
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| New Message Posted!2012-04-06 19:55
As for the spirals; they seem to me being a fragment of a much more complex phenomenon. Most western dowsers take unwittingly only strong yang-lines into account. When using the whole yin-yang concept in dowsing, in the same place one can detect "petals" instead, each next larger than a former one. So those reported "spirals" could have been sections of a petal`s border or - on a higher space-level, a "spiral" can be a sum of outer borders of a whole set of petals.
Spirals or petals are connected to the stage of "liberating the life energy", which follows after the "penetration" - i.e."young suitor contesting the old suitor" stage.You can find analogues in Vedic mythology, where Vrtra (the "old suitor") is keeping back the "waters of life".
Now let`s go back to the cup rings and the minor details in their structure. Well; first we might take into consideration that the ultimate source of ideas is perhaps Nature and not human mind. Some time ago, when skimming cup-mark photos, I could pick up minor details, which suggested that the sculptors took pains to render minute details of flows in a place. IMO those were not abstract symbols repeated again and again. I`d rather call them "protocols of local penetration", which maybe testify to omnipresence of small life-energy centres all around in Nature... well; maybe within larger ones of same kind - "sacred areas", dispersed more sparsely?
In the example I`ve shown above, the lacking parts of small rings are probably covered with broader yin flows. How come?
- When at a crossing, you can detect only that path (yin or yang), which is broader, which usually means - stronger. First further afield you can find the continuation of a lacking path. But those minor rings are too small to mark their continuation in stone and this is the reason for the particular layout, I suppose.
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| New Message Posted!2012-04-06 14:38
Well Vlad , whilst realising that the comment could only be subjective ,but without a qualifier it did read to me as being a statement of fact . Good to see that wasn’t the case . Yes , I did get the anagram .
Cups are sometimes found surrounded by concentric rings other times they are , as in your model , penannular (broken rings ) .If we are to give a meaning to these motifs then it might be expected they are quite different . It is worth mentioniong that when there are multiple rings the cup tends to smaller than usual and could be classified in some cases as a dot . Similarly spirals , as a rock art motif rarely ( there may be some but I can't think of any off hand ) have a central cup .
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On 2012-04-06 13:21, vlad wrote:
Well; tiompan, it`s meant everybody has an own quest. So my suggestions above are not pretending to be an ultimate truth for all. BTW The code reads - "Young suitor contests (the) old suitor".
I think this meaning could have been valid already for cups with a single penetrated ring around. The cup is of yin (female) quality, while the ring is of yang (male) quality. Later in history, a landlord could identify himself with a ringwall of his castle, that he has built to secure his women, children, treasures, etc. Circularity normally doesn`t belong to the yang characteristics. It rather denotes the idea of yang-within-yin. One can say the suitor (yang) of the previous year has been changed into a warden of the fruit of his yin-yang intercourse at a place.
A new suitor (surge of yang energy of a new year) penetrates the ringwall (kills its owner) and then lets out the life-energy stored within, to flow around over a local homeland. Only after that, he takes care of his potential yin-partner. In my model, a castle and a cup with rings correspond symbolically to one another, despite being located on different levels of local space hierarchy.
And I propose that the idea of yin-yang intercourse has been continually in use, embodied first in the cup-marks, then in some sacral glades in the woods, where Arthurian knights used to joust, - to end as descriptions of maiden-castles in Sir Mallory book.
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| New Message Posted!2012-04-06 13:21
Well; tiompan, it`s meant everybody has an own quest. So my suggestions above are not pretending to be an ultimate truth for all. BTW The code reads - "Young suitor contests (the) old suitor".
I think this meaning could have been valid already for cups with a single penetrated ring around. The cup is of yin (female) quality, while the ring is of yang (male) quality. Later in history, a landlord could identify himself with a ringwall of his castle, that he has built to secure his women, children, treasures, etc. Circularity normally doesn`t belong to the yang characteristics. It rather denotes the idea of yang-within-yin. One can say the suitor (yang) of the previous year has been changed into a warden of the fruit of his yin-yang intercourse at a place.
A new suitor (surge of yang energy of a new year) penetrates the ringwall (kills its owner) and then lets out the life-energy stored within, to flow around over a local homeland. Only after that, he takes care of his potential yin-partner. In my model, a castle and a cup with rings correspond symbolically to one another, despite being located on different levels of local space hierarchy.
And I propose that the idea of yin-yang intercourse has been continually in use, embodied first in the cup-marks, then in some sacral glades in the woods, where Arthurian knights used to joust, - to end as descriptions of maiden-castles in Sir Mallory book.
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| New Message Posted!2012-04-06 10:09
Well , that explains that then .
George
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On 2012-04-06 08:06, vlad wrote:
spirals? Well; they result from the yin-yang interactions, wherever they take place, and this time of year they are most intensive.
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| New Message Posted!2012-04-06 08:06
Now here comes a test of imagination for you. Well; without ability to find common traits in symbols, material remnants and archetypal stories you cannot handle the megalithic heritage in its whole extent, I suppose.
First look at the above drawings and say what`s the common idea expressed in them. Next, take the "Mabinogion" and read the fragment of "Pwyll Prince of Dyfed", where Gwawl jumps into the bag, which would otherwise were never full enough. Now skim "Le Morte d`Arthur" by sir Thomas Mallory. Has the multitude of those knightly challenges something to do with the Gwawl story? Coded answer: "gnuoy rotius stsetnoc dlo rotius".
Maybe first with the summary of Sir Mallory ended the development line, which once long ago started at a simple act of making a cup with a "thunderstone" (yang) arrow-tip in a stone (or part of stone), which displays yin- (feminine) quality?
- Here ends my Easter story with best wishes to you.
Oh, yes; and where are the spirals? Well; they result from the yin-yang interactions, wherever they take place, and this time of year they are most intensive.
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| New Message Posted!2012-04-05 09:20
Dowsing for energetic backgrounds of myths and legends imo could restore their right place in cultural inheritance left after our ancestors. Once upon a time, they were told to young people to prepare them for initiations into a tribal homeland`s "science" of living in harmony with nature.There`s the same psychic potential dreaming in them as in the lore of Aboriginals. If we want to save old natural sanctuaries, marked with megaliths, for next generations,- current practical thinking and rough exploitation of landscapes should be reformed and/ or rejected.
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| New Message Posted!2012-04-01 07:45
Since antiquity, the abstract sterile world - a product of egg-head minds, has gained overhand more and more. Now we consider ancient allegories as being something irrational and unworthy our attention. But without feeling ourselves into them we cannot find a key to the structure of a space, we`ve inherited from our fore-fathers... and -mothers too, actually.
One of their steps to take hold of a territory was - quite obviously, I suppose, to construct megalithic structures at meaningful places.When looking into such concepts as "space" or "place", - we can find that there`s a feminine quality in them. (The "lap" in J.Lindsay`s book above) And old stories tell us that to gain rights to dwell somewhere (in a space or place), a man (an ancestor) should "marry" - you tell me... a mermaid, a nymph or a goddess, etc.
Ehm... I`m short of time right now, so without any deeper discussion I`d end this input of mine only by repeating once again my own Carthago-slogan. When dowsing space structures, you should start from learning to discern yin- from yang space elements.Those Beds of Diarmaid and Grainne in Ireland could be nice training grounds in such an endeavour.
I bet, there are spirals visible or invisible around them.
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| New Message Posted!2012-03-31 20:17
I’m not sure what you are suggesting . but there are plenty spirals to be found much earlier than than the Sesklo figurine and on different continents .
More locally the Cucuteni (5000-3500 BC ) figurines have spirals on each buttock or even on the hip with parallel lines found at the vulva ,what would J.L. find they represent there . Gimbutas suggested V ‘s represented vulvas ,which at least makes more depictive sense than spirals , but does this mean that inverted multiple V’s = lots of vulvas (ae ?) ?
We can all play the game of what abstract motifs represent , if anything , but to keep a sense of perspective it’s best to keep it to a game .
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On 2012-03-31 10:26, vlad wrote:
But where the spirals are gone?... OK. Here`s some from Jack Lindsay`s forgotten classic - "The Helen of Troy" :
(p.281) "A few early examples will help to bring the point home. On the LAP of a nurse-mother statuette from neolithic Sesklo a circular spiral is drawn as also on HER SEAT and on that of the child....We see that the spiral does not simply represent the vulva but the vulva in terms of movement: - the ENTRY into or EXIT from, etc."
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But where the spirals are gone?... OK. Here`s some from Jack Lindsay`s forgotten classic - "The Helen of Troy" :
(p.281) "A few early examples will help to bring the point home. On the LAP of a nurse-mother statuette from neolithic Sesklo a circular spiral is drawn as also on HER SEAT and on that of the child....We see that the spiral does not simply represent the vulva but the vulva in terms of movement: - the ENTRY into or EXIT from, etc."
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