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tiompan

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| New Message Posted!2011-12-05 10:14  
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On 2011-12-05 08:26, rogeralbin wrote:
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Fergus is Q Celtic the Brythonic (P Celtic ) would be something like Urguist .
George
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rogeralbin

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On 2011-12-04 19:36, tiompan wrote:
Fergus is Q Celtic the Brythonic (P Celtic ) would be something like Urguist .
George
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| New Message Posted!2011-12-04 19:36  
Fergus is Q Celtic the Brythonic (P Celtic ) would be something like Urguist .
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Fergus isn't a name that i've come across before. Perhaps there is a Welsh equivalent?
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rogeralbin

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| New Message Posted!2011-12-04 19:16  
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On 2011-12-04 08:14, cerrig
That's very interesting Roger. I have also wondered about the similarity in the names, but never found much of a link. Maen Llia does indeed look very Bod like when viewed from North or South, and when viewed from East or West it looks more like a Shamrock, so maybe there is something Irish about it, and there are plenty of Irish type influences elsewhere in Wales too . I always thought Maen Llia was a bit of a male/female thing, depending on your viewpoint, so to speak.
There would be 7 full moons in the winter period, when the sun's shadow isn't in the stream ( sept 3rd to April 7th ) so you may have something there , but Fergus isn't a name that i've come across before. Perhaps there is a Welsh equivalent?
Cerrig
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Here the to West of La Loungue Pierre is a small lane, Rue de L'Ardaine (say laa dine) I have speculated if its root was in Lia there are also steams in that direction. The lane to the South of the menhir is Rue du Camp Massy (road of the field of Massy), in Irish texts Numaisi is given as one of the wives of Angus Og. Interestingly the lane connects L'Ardaine with an area named L'Eclet (modern French eclat Eng Brilliant as in brilliant Sun) to the SE of the menhir.
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cerrig

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On 2011-12-04 01:42, rogeralbin wrote:
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On 2011-11-15 13:38, cerrig wrote:
This is a comment I posted some time ago on the site page for Maen Llia standing stone, which may give an insight into why this stone has it's name.
There is a common legend attached to many standing stones,right throughout the country. it tells of a certain time of the year,usually midsummer,when the local standing stone gets up and goes for a walk down to the local stream or lake. there may be more to this than an old wives tale.
At sunset at midsummer,the shadow from Maen Llia is at its longest.it stretches for over 300 meters down the hill. it goes through the stream the afon Llia onto a small hillock. on top of this hillock is a cairn.
The shadow,because of the shape of the stone and the angle of the setting sun,does indeed look like a tongue,and it could be seen as going down to the stream for a drink. if you combine this with the alternative translation for "Llia",which is to "lick or to lap", then "Maen Llia" is literally the licking stone, or the stone that licks(or laps).
This raises the question,was this scenario a deliberate part of the design,or was it noticed after the stone was raised, and the name came from that?
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Purely for speculation and the similarity between the names of Maen Llia and Lia Fal I suggest a dip into James Mc KIllop's Dictionary of Celtic Mythology with referance to Lia Fail/ Lia Fal at Tara , Ireland. Also Fergus (man of vigour) Mc Reoch, Lia Fal being known as Bod (penis) Fergus, even today the term Bodair (erection) is the correct term in Guernesiais for sexual excitement or to "cock" a firearm the other side of the Celtic Sea.
Possibly the referance that Fergus needed seven Women to satisfy him has some bearing on the positioning of other features in the landscape at different times ie seven of the thirteen Lunar Months?
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That's very interesting Roger. I have also wondered about the similarity in the names, but never found much of a link. Maen Llia does indeed look very Bod like when viewed from North or South, and when viewed from East or West it looks more like a Shamrock, so maybe there is something Irish about it, and there are plenty of Irish type influences elsewhere in Wales too . I always thought Maen Llia was a bit of a male/female thing, depending on your viewpoint, so to speak.
There would be 7 full moons in the winter period, when the sun's shadow isn't in the stream ( sept 3rd to April 7th ) so you may have something there , but Fergus isn't a name that i've come across before. Perhaps there is a Welsh equivalent?
Cerrig
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rogeralbin

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On 2011-11-15 13:38, cerrig wrote:
This is a comment I posted some time ago on the site page for Maen Llia standing stone, which may give an insight into why this stone has it's name.
There is a common legend attached to many standing stones,right throughout the country. it tells of a certain time of the year,usually midsummer,when the local standing stone gets up and goes for a walk down to the local stream or lake. there may be more to this than an old wives tale.
At sunset at midsummer,the shadow from Maen Llia is at its longest.it stretches for over 300 meters down the hill. it goes through the stream the afon Llia onto a small hillock. on top of this hillock is a cairn.
The shadow,because of the shape of the stone and the angle of the setting sun,does indeed look like a tongue,and it could be seen as going down to the stream for a drink. if you combine this with the alternative translation for "Llia",which is to "lick or to lap", then "Maen Llia" is literally the licking stone, or the stone that licks(or laps).
This raises the question,was this scenario a deliberate part of the design,or was it noticed after the stone was raised, and the name came from that?
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Purely for speculation and the similarity between the names of Maen Llia and Lia Fal I suggest a dip into James Mc KIllop's Dictionary of Celtic Mythology with referance to Lia Fail/ Lia Fal at Tara , Ireland. Also Fergus (man of vigour) Mc Reoch, Lia Fal being known as Bod (penis) Fergus, even today the term Bodair (erection) is the correct term in Guernesiais for sexual excitement or to "cock" a firearm the other side of the Celtic Sea.
Possibly the referance that Fergus needed seven Women to satisfy him has some bearing on the positioning of other features in the landscape at different times ie seven of the thirteen Lunar Months?
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rogeralbin

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| New Message Posted!2011-12-04 01:00  
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On 2011-11-14 14:16, Runemage wrote:
Thanks Sunny. I think it would be nice to have a translation of some names of sites and that it could add to the interest. For example, some of the French ones are intriguing. Many languages are much more descriptive than English and it's a shame to not know what some of the more interesting names mean.
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I did suggest down below some while back that a glossary of place names might be useful, bringing together the various modern language defenitions to help understand the functions of sites.
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cerrig

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| New Message Posted!2011-11-17 18:22  
I'd be happy to expand it a little Andy. I have some photo's and diagrams that would probably help with the explanation too . I'll get onto it.
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Andy B

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| New Message Posted!2011-11-17 11:09  
Thanks Cerrig, can we post this on the site page and report it in the news items as I think it's an observation worthy of this - would you like to expand it a little into a full 'feature article?
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cerrig

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| New Message Posted!2011-11-17 03:31  
I'm very happy to share this with you and everyone else on MegP Angie. I have been encouraged to keep looking for these kind of events by the community spirit here, so it's only right you should get the " world exclusive".
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