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jonm
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|  New Message Posted!2012-02-02 18:20
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| Ever since man discovered, in the 6th millennium BCE, how to turn a piece of rock into malleable metal, copper has been mined and smelted in the Timna Valley |
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Yes, I found a reference somewhere to a copper mirror found and dated back to 5000BC. Copper survives relatively well.
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-29 19:09
If they were arriving by boat on mining expeditions they would have known for a very long time the value of what they were after. Would explain all the trouble to clear land and defend it.
"Ever since man discovered, in the 6th millennium BCE, how to turn a piece of rock into malleable metal, copper has been mined and smelted in the Timna Valley........The earliest, well-preserved copper smelting furnace dates from the 5th millennium BCE. It consisted of a small pit dug in the ground, with a low substructure of field stones, and was ventilated by goatskin bellows."
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Early%20History%20-%20Archaeology/Archaeological%20Sites%20in%20Israel%20-%20Timna-%20Valley%20of
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jonm
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-29 18:58
Interesting
Thanks TDrusin. That could be true; Grimes would have been a source of sharp trading material (flint) prior to the realisation that bronze could be made from the tin/copper alloy. Though I imagine that bronze would have been the beginning of the end for flint (that's how I described it in the book anyway).
As a funny aside on the above link, I put the 'geocentric Stonehenge' idea to the Skeptics Society and they more or less asked me why I was describing something so obvious (they weren't very skeptical about it). They were really helpful in helping to get the format of the schools experiments right (I'd made some descriptive blunders)
Cheers
Jon
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tDrusin
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-29 06:16
tin is a semiconductor, for the ones that find that interesting. Copper was also being mined... bronze age go figure.
"Counties Cork and Kerry, on the south-west tip of the island, produced the bulk of Ireland's copper and it has been estimated [3 p114] that together the counties produced 370 tonnes of copper during this era. Given the fact that all Bronze Age artifacts so far found add up to around 0.2% of this total, and notwithstanding those that have been destroyed or lost down the years, it seems that Ireland exported a lot of copper during the Bronze Age."
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tDrusin
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-28 21:58
The article below is about an ancient road which literally means tin port. It connected the area where grimes graves( gim's quarry mining pits) to Stonehenge. Stonehenge may very well have been a trading center where locally mined goods could be exchanged for goods coming in from elsewhere. They could have had a temple to the god of commerce
http://www.heritagedaily.com/2012/01/track-or-fiction-the-icknield-way/
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jonm
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-28 11:00
Karloff
Here's an expanded link showing the carbon dating evidence of tin mining in Cornwall (2400-3000BC):
Stonehenge and Tin: Part 1: Mining
Apologies, said I was going to do this about 6 weeks ago (as below), but have got so much work on that putting together more information has become difficult: I'll do the other tin information reference pages over the next few weeks.
Megalithic: UK Tin mining in 2000-3000BC
Jon
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-17 12:15
Sem , the term has moved out of the art/perception world and entered
the tech sphere these days . Making even more likely that it will be picked up on . What's the likelihood that there will be a Phd by 2020 on "Archaeohaptics : Embodiment and touch as metaphor in prehistory "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haptic_perception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haptic_technology
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On 2012-01-16 22:56, sem wrote:
Haptic - from the Ancient Geek to touch, but I seem to remember being taught in "O"Level (remember those?) Greek that it was used by the poets to mean "grasp or understand."
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-17 12:05
Rune , I'm sure the dressing of the sarsens did extend within reach , the axes , although nothing to do with the dressing certainly did ,and of course bluestones in the horseshoe were also dressed .
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On 2012-01-16 18:40, Runemage wrote:
Hi George,
RA is definitely haptic, who can resist tracing the patterns, but that's not applicable to the sarsens as most of it would be out of reach.
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On 2012-01-16 16:52, tiompan wrote:
What we don't have is the difference between the worked stone and what it may have sounded like prior to having been worked .If the concrete completed maryhill monument is not that different from a model of Stonehenge or the real thing would the dressing have been that important .Stone dressing is a tradition found throughout prehistory to the present , rarely in recorded history is the dressing for acoustic purposes . Examples from prehistory include open air rock art which would have had minimal acoustic effect but major visual, after all rock art is a visual (and arguably haptic) not an acoustic medium .
George
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jonm
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-17 06:37
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| Greek that it was used by the poets to mean "grasp or understand."
Maybe it is about time this thread started taking an holistic view of our ancestors. |
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On subject of teaching, I've seriously modified the way the teaching posts are done. Anyone here teach and would this sort of experiment be interesting to kids?
Teaching post no 2
(there's quite a few you could get out of Stonehenge)
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2012-01-16 22:56
Haptic - from the Ancient Geek to touch, but I seem to remember being taught in "O"Level (remember those?) Greek that it was used by the poets to mean "grasp or understand."
Maybe it is about time this thread started taking an holistic view of our ancestors. Stonehenge in it's remaining form is the most unique monument on earth and the people who built it were at the "cutting edge" of technology. They faced engineering challenges that modern builders would baulk at, yet they built something that has endured for six millenia.
Why do we judge their construction by our standards and nomenclature (definition of words according to learning)? I would suggest that they were building it by the seat of their pants and had no idea of the what the final result would be. Or even that the final solution was ever reached...
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