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Respond to: Protests against modern stone carvings on Ilkley Moor
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Runemage
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|  New Message Posted!2011-10-31 09:12
Hi Andy,
I'm still getting "Your search - cache:tD66S-J6E04J![]()
Maybe it's Firefox??
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Andy B
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-31 07:58
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brigantia
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-31 01:35
Hmmmm.... that's odd. I've tried various times to get this to work. I guess it's summat to do with the cache-file. It's nowt impressive tbh - just showing how people who won the prize for the 'Ilkley Literature Festival' who are behind this Stanza stones project, couldn't read or write properly & had a major spelling blip on the front-cover of their portfolio, which was presented to kids and hyped as summat of educational importance - fulla grammatical errors & a biggy with the title itself.
Go to google and type in "Stanza Stones Development", then hover over the address, paulprice.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/stanza-stones-development/ - and note the cached file. If y' click on the 'Cached' bit, the page opens with all their images deleted with the mistakes. One of our crew has copied it all & says he's gonna republish it "for historical purposes"!
It's becoming a habit amongst Stanza Stones main characters. The post Simon Armitage, today, has also deleted his website of 10yrs standing:
www.simonarmitage.com
Covering up some tracks...? There is a lotta money in this plot of theirs.
Anyway, we should stick to the point I reckon & keep it about damaging the stones. It's just odd all the other things people are uncovering.
ttfn - Paul
[ This message was edited by: brigantia on 2011-10-31 01:51 ]
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-31 00:44
Hi Paul,
Sorry, your link doesn't work, even if just the first half is used or if you use 'copy link location' it's 404 all the way or "Your search - cache:tD66S-J6E04J![]()
Please could you repost it?
Many thanks,
Rune
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brigantia
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-30 23:23
Hi Andy - Soz about the delay getting back to you.
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| On 2011-10-25 15:22, Andy B wrote:
Can you think of which cup marked site on the moor is potentially most likely to be affected - we like to associate our news with particular sites. |
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The nearest officially recorded carving seems to be carving no.277 (Boughey & Vickerman 2003 survey), aka carving 119 (Hedges 1986 survey), just over 100 yards away. But the stone they intend carving on appears to have a couple of cup-marks on it. They're 'debatable' I'd say - though when I first did a drawing of the site about 25yrs back, it looked clearer than it did today. But if we compare them to some of those designated as authentic by English Heritage - also in the Boughey & Vickerman survey - they'd get the thumbs-up from them guys.
What's important though is what Simon Armitage (the post whose words intend to be inscribed on the rocks) said in September 2009, when this awful idea was first proposed, simply, "Just to assure you that there is no plan to carve poetry onto the rocks on Ilkley Moor." And Ilkley Literature Festival organizer, Rachel Feldberg also said, in the local Press, "we want to emphasise that we do not want to do anything in any way that will upset anyone or damage the moors.” It seems they were both lying.
You can read a bit more about this in the local press, on-line, here:
http://www.voiceofthevalleys.net/stanza-stones.html
...and here:
http://www.voiceofthevalleys.net/pennine-watershed.html
But it seems quite evident, as a friend & police-officer told me, "they don't seem to mind lying - and there's no law against that. But that's the sorta people you're up against."
Even weirder in this debacle is the fact that they're actually deleting some of their own websites & photos to ensure no record of what they've said is on the Net & they're actively censoring criticism of the project. Y' don't believe me? Check this one for starters:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tD66S-J6E04J SRC="images/forum/icons/icon_razz.gif">aulprice.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/stanza-stones-development/+http://paulprice.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/stanza-stones-development/&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
There would seem to be reasonable excuse to say that some considerable financial irregularities have been going on here aswell. And to think, all we locals wanted was for them to take their carvings off the moors & have them in the parks instead.
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Sunny100
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-30 17:42
Runemage, "I" for what I read on a certain website and from the man himself on that website. As I say, I could be wrong, but I think these modern carvings of poetry are away from any cup-and-ring rock carvings. I cannot be certain about that, though. You will have to get that information from "the horses's mouth" so to speak. I don't like what these people are doing, myself, and have signed a couple of petitions. I would prefer them to do there inscribing somewhere along way away, where there are no ancient sites.
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-29 23:59
I - for "I" read Google - can't find anything like an exact location or a list of proposed sites. Surely, because of the concern that's been expressed, by now the organisers should have come straight to the point and provided reassurance that no recognised ancient site would be included.
Here, there are two photos of completed poems so you can see the impact they have. http://www.bradfordwalking.org/stanza_stones.html
"Some of the poems will be carved onto existing outcrops, others onto introduced stones." The link to the Mist poem is at the bottom of that page.
More here http://www.pickledegg.info/2011/10/world-premiere-stanza-stones-project-ilkley-lit-fest/
"The opening night of this year’s Ilkley Literature Festival saw the proud unveiling of its own written legacy.
A sequence of poems commissioned by organisers was read in public for the first time – words penned by poet and author Simon Armitage, which are being carved in stones across the Yorkshire landscape for all to enjoy.
The poems were recited by Armitage himself, who took to the stage of the Kings Hall and revealed the locations of the rocks where his words are inscribed.
Called the Stanza Stones, they will form a trail across the South Pennine Watershed, from Marsden in the south, where Armitage grew up, to the northernmost point in Ilkley.
More than a year in the making, this was the first chance for audiences to really appreciate the true nature of the project – six new poems dedicated to water, the element which helped carve out the wild, upland landscape.
Called In Memory of Water, the sequence pays tribute to its different forms – from the beck which saws “the hillside in half with its chain” to the lowly puddle, “rain-junk” drawing in the admiring sun. These two poems will be carved into stones at Ilkley’s Backstone Beck and Ilkley Moor’s causey paving.
On Nab Hill near Oxenhope, a poem is being etched for mist – “water in its ghost state” - and Rivock Edge near Riddlesden will be home to the Dew stone. The poem called Rain is located near Littleborough and the first stone to be carved has been completed in Pule Hill, an area which Armitage explored as a youngster, and is dedicated to snow.
He also revealed there is a seventh ‘mystery’ stone in an unnamed place, waiting to be discovered."
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Sunny100
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-29 21:38
At the 'The Cow and Calf Rocks' and a nearby quarry ? I think. Someone tell me if I'm wrong, please.
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Andy B
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-25 15:22
Fair enough, thanks, that's plenty to be going on with. Can you think of which cup marked site on the moor is potentially most likely to be affected - we like to associate our news with particular sites.
Cheers
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brigantia
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| New Message Posted!2011-10-25 00:18
A local paper has asked me to write up the history of this case, and they're gonna publish it. I'll send you a link and the story when it's done.
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