On 2011-10-03 00:16, Runemage wrote:
Interesting indeed Tom, thank-you.
The ancestors have given quartz a high profile at ancient sites and resonance is thought to also be very significant by some.
Wonder if anyone's tried to play the bowls found within Newgrange and Knowth Can't remember offhand what they are made of, but it's a mad thought
I like the largest ones but they weigh a ton!

Losing pain or headache at sites is pretty common.

Rune

On 2011-10-09 22:43, cropredy wrote:
http://www.joshuatreevillage.com/324/sacredge.htm#Tesla
Interesting about the granit, especially the "Aura" about it.
i don't suppose there is a scientific explanation of such?
cropredy

On 2011-10-03 06:01, SecretsoftheSunSects wrote:
Tom

so how did the theory score.

You are welcome to improve the list of criteria if you want


Chris

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On 2011-10-02 20:50, ledgehammer wrote: Quote: On 2011-10-02 19:49, SecretsoftheSunSects wrote: Tom how does your theory and practice score on the two scales I introduced above? On the up side Tangible benefits to the builders Real science Contemporary technologies. Evolution of the concept proffered Working models Modern versions exploiting the same concept Objective testing Cultural legacies On the down side, though I am pretty certain some in here would have things the other way around. Shamanic / Ancient Priestly knowledge passed down but forgotten Is it based on hooky science Is it an overstatement of known limited effects Is it something people want to beleive Is it subjective Is mystical magical energy involved Are magic beans involved Does it literally break the laws of science (groundbreaking stuff heh) Are the benefits to the builders real but intangibly subtle Is it sexy Are there powerful positions for believers available Certain solar ideas allow for stone 'as hard as steel' to be cut with light which makes a pretty compelling argument. It also provides tangible reasons for all those dark stones and light ones sitting in fields and other places. Chris Chris, not "my theory" Im afraid, I have merely researched other experiments, scientific fact and have in the most part put forward ideas based on this. Alternative fieldwork like that of dowsing I have found needs to be checked, by others as well as myself. If I was the only one doing this then what is the point? Plus your checklist in my mind is floored as your closed box mentailty will work with us today but should not be applied to the ancients for many reasons the most is that their perception is completley different so the motivators will be different, some will match i.e need to the sun e.t.c but dont come close to attempting to understand them. For example: Tangible benefits to the builders - you dismiss beliefs which are used around the world today, so how the hell can you claim to know these! Real science - what is "real science", something which x number of people believe? You have already told us you have built inventions which are beyond acceptance, by your definition is this "real science", if so you must conceed that it is also possible that there is other science that you do not know , well either that or you seem to be giften with all of the knowledge? Contemporary technologies - what about technologies dismissed by science Evolution of the concept proffered - evolution of concept, as a species we have not evolved across the board, rather moving towards financial need, therefore the motivations of a species being different which influences what a culture does. Working models - unless you take into consideration all the key componants of the model it is not a working model, you can arrange any number of stones in a copycat fashion to the ancients and you perhaps will see something, if you understood all of the elements then you would see a "working model" perhaps. Modern versions exploiting the same concept - I havent seen any which support your theory, but our need for the sun and the ancients need are comparable, this doesnt mean the purpose of the ancient sites matches our own needs Objective testing - noone can disagree with testing, as essential to the science, but depends on what you are testing and what you are measuring as to how the results will fit. Cultural legacies - how can you detirmine ancient cultural legacies? We all have ideas which got smashed out of the water when G.H retrieved data from stonehenge, before this we thought they were savages, performing sacrifices to the sun, having being this wrong I think it moronic to claim to know now, especially when data is ignored because it doent fit in with your normal line of reasoning. Do you think the ancients gave a flying elephant what you or any of us believe Chris, they had their own belief system, their own science, and their own cultural legacies. Cannot really relate to your other list, wasnt sure how much of it was serious, if any but feel free to question the methods, I will not stop you, watching random people dowse the energy with no real motivation or belief is useful, to those willing to observe. Tom

On 2011-10-02 20:50, ledgehammer wrote:

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On 2011-10-02 19:49, SecretsoftheSunSects wrote: Tom how does your theory and practice score on the two scales I introduced above? On the up side Tangible benefits to the builders Real science Contemporary technologies. Evolution of the concept proffered Working models Modern versions exploiting the same concept Objective testing Cultural legacies On the down side, though I am pretty certain some in here would have things the other way around. Shamanic / Ancient Priestly knowledge passed down but forgotten Is it based on hooky science Is it an overstatement of known limited effects Is it something people want to beleive Is it subjective Is mystical magical energy involved Are magic beans involved Does it literally break the laws of science (groundbreaking stuff heh) Are the benefits to the builders real but intangibly subtle Is it sexy Are there powerful positions for believers available Certain solar ideas allow for stone 'as hard as steel' to be cut with light which makes a pretty compelling argument. It also provides tangible reasons for all those dark stones and light ones sitting in fields and other places. Chris

Chris,

not "my theory" Im afraid, I have merely researched other experiments, scientific fact and have in the most part put forward ideas based on this. Alternative fieldwork like that of dowsing I have found needs to be checked, by others as well as myself. If I was the only one doing this then what is the point?

Plus your checklist in my mind is floored as your closed box mentailty will work with us today but should not be applied to the ancients for many reasons the most is that their perception is completley different so the motivators will be different, some will match i.e need to the sun e.t.c but dont come close to attempting to understand them. For example:

Tangible benefits to the builders - you dismiss beliefs which are used around the world today, so how the hell can you claim to know these!

Real science - what is "real science", something which x number of people believe? You have already told us you have built inventions which are beyond acceptance, by your definition is this "real science", if so you must conceed that it is also possible that there is other science that you do not know , well either that or you seem to be giften with all of the knowledge?

Contemporary technologies - what about technologies dismissed by science

Evolution of the concept proffered - evolution of concept, as a species we have not evolved across the board, rather moving towards financial need, therefore the motivations of a species being different which influences what a culture does.

Working models - unless you take into consideration all the key componants of the model it is not a working model, you can arrange any number of stones in a copycat fashion to the ancients and you perhaps will see something, if you understood all of the elements then you would see a "working model" perhaps.

Modern versions exploiting the same concept - I havent seen any which support your theory, but our need for the sun and the ancients need are comparable, this doesnt mean the purpose of the ancient sites matches our own needs

Objective testing - noone can disagree with testing, as essential to the science, but depends on what you are testing and what you are measuring as to how the results will fit.

Cultural legacies - how can you detirmine ancient cultural legacies? We all have ideas which got smashed out of the water when G.H retrieved data from stonehenge, before this we thought they were savages, performing sacrifices to the sun, having being this wrong I think it moronic to claim to know now, especially when data is ignored because it doent fit in with your normal line of reasoning. Do you think the ancients gave a flying elephant what you or any of us believe Chris, they had their own belief system, their own science, and their own cultural legacies.

Cannot really relate to your other list, wasnt sure how much of it was serious, if any but feel free to question the methods, I will not stop you, watching random people dowse the energy with no real motivation or belief is useful, to those willing to observe.

Tom

On 2011-10-03 00:26, Runemage wrote:
Thank-you Roger, that's really interesting. I think it's like all craftspeople, some have an instinctive affinity and ability with their material that goes beyond what can be taught.

Rune

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On 2011-10-03 00:04, rogeralbin wrote: On stone working in general I thought I would share this anecdote with you. Guernsey in the past had as its main industry the export of stone, many of Londons streets were surfaced with it. There are some superb bits of architecture in stone in St Peter Port however a lot of them are not local stone, the stuff is too hard to work well, I have been told 25 times harder than Jersey Granite and 200 times harder than Cornish, so in St Peter Port you will see the local stone used as foundation material, Jersey stone as the second course and the truly fine facings of Cornish. The Islands Parish Churches tend to have large probably former local Megaliths as their base but be constructed in the main of imported stone as the quality of tools needed to dress the local stuff was not available until maybe 250 years previously. To the tale as related to me by By a Dorstshire man Charlie Squires, Charlies employer had been contracted to finish off St Saviours Resevoir after construction had been halted by the War. One day during the excavation of the foundation trench for the Dam wall they had unearthed a boulder the size of a V.W. Camper, Charlie initially directed six of the Irish labourers to attack it with 14 lb sledgehammers but in an hour they had only suceeded in powdering the top. There was a Local chap by the name of Le Prevost who was getting on somewhat and suffered from bad feet who used to feed the mixer (no Social Securitey in those days). He had however as a young man served his apprentaship as a stone cutter in the Quarries of the North of the Island. Charlie approached him and asked if he could remove the boulder to which he replied he could but due to the poor condition of his feet he could not climb into the trench. Four of the Irish guys carried him bodily into the trench and he set about the boulder with a 2 lb lump hammer and within a couple of hours had reduced it to lumps the size of a mans head which his Irish collauges were passing out of the trench. Apparentley if you can read the grain of the stone you can fracture it easily.