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ledgehammer
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|  New Message Posted!2011-09-19 23:18
Incidently,
Russia as are other countries are more willing to at least test the art that has been present for centuries,
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| There are only a few examples of the many interesting and you could say unique things being done by our biolocation operators. Of great interest too is the fact that our dowsers do a lot of the work in cooperation and in conjunction with geophysical, gravio-magneto-seismo-electra detection in chemical methods of search. This work has been done for instance, Professor Alexander Kovalesky in the gold-bearing zones in Buratia has shown that the biolocation, and bio-geo-chemistry have resulted in more accurate data than any provided by electronic instrumentation. He concludes that geophysical and biolocational methods go hand in hand, working to suppiement each other, and that in this connection, effectivity of location attains up to ninety to a hundred per cent. Our dowsers have shown that biolocation used in geological prospecting can be performed by dowsers working in moving automobiles and other land vehicles, and from aeoroplanes and shipboard and helicopters |
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the same art which oil companies "allegedly" seek to exploit
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| Dowsing for natural oil and gas works well when the dowser and the geologist work together, in conjunction, utilising each others information. As you are aware seismic surveys are correct when indicating structures, however they are not always correct when indicating hydrocarbon areas. If I were to conduct a map dowsing survey at a site of interest/licensed area for hydrocarbon bearing areas and find natural oil and gas and the seismic survey confirmed my findings this increases the likelihood of natural oil and gas actually being there |
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-frank Honesty here, dowsing best used in conjunction with other surveying techniques, what I would call "more rods in the pond", or artist method within scientific framework.
and in times of war when it was convenient to use dowsing:
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| In 1959, Verne Cameron, a professional Californian dowser, contacted the United States Navy and told them he would locate the entire submarine fleet using only a map and a pendulum. The navy accepted the challenge and Cameron successfully located not only the US submarines, but also the position of Russian submarines around the world |
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| The US Army went one step further than this and trained soldiers in Vietnam to dowse for unexploded bombs and landmines. It is not known how many lives - both military and civilian - this simple technique has saved in its use in clearing minefields |
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taken from
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Surely if the above is possible then finding archeology must also be possible?
Tom
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mvv650
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| New Message Posted!2011-09-19 12:09
Hi,
You are right but I do not have access to magnetometry equipment.
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On 2011-09-16 17:16, ledgehammer wrote:
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On 2011-09-16 14:01, karloff wrote:
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On 2011-09-14 12:55, mvv650 wrote:
I tried to 'double blind' this as much as I could. Nino - the person who did the dowsing had no idea what had been previously discovered and other than being a fan of Time Team, has no archaeological connections. He did not know whether we were looking for hut circles or gold bars. This is why I was so amazed with the outcome. I do intend to do resistivity trawl over the site as soon as I can and will post my results whatever they may be.
Regards and thanks to all who have responded.
Vin
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I wouldn't! Resistivity is not particularly good at picking up on roundhouse gullies. The better method would be to use a magnetometer which is very successful on prehistoric sites.
Can I just put to rest any ideas people have that dowsing hasn't been tested on archaeological sites. I have taken part in three tests myself and I'm pretty certain there have been a lot more. I can say quite categorically on all three of the tests dowsers failed to detect subsurface archaeological features whilst detecting non-existent features.
I'm sorry that's the result, but it is!
It's also interesting to note that if two dowsers exhibit a similar pattern detection (like Sem's example) but that there is no underlying archaeological feature, then that is evidence that dowsing is NOT detecting archaeology but is a response to other factors.
In Sem's example this may well have been that both dowsers were on trips to circles and were shown the site by Sem and told he thought that some stones were "something".
To be a testable, repeatable experiment, it's not simply that more than one person exhibits similar dowsing results but that those results also relate to a control (such as a known ditch of a henge for example). The experiment should also be "blind". In Sem's example the dowsers were confronted with stone circles and then told (or hinted at) that some stones represented a similar monument. In effect the circumstances are prejudiced.
I'm not saying that it isn't a demolished stone circle just that the "empirical" nature of the experience isn't significant in terms of scientific method.
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Karloff, that is a shame , we always dowse in pairs keeping our results until the end and 90% of the time the pictures are identicle, this is blind, we cannot assume to know all the history. We also dowse sites which are medeivil or later so checks can be made, but structures get modified so asking for specific dates is crucial. I as said have not witnessed results like that which would proove it against archeology. I will say however that there are many layers of history and who is to say the dowsers are wrong, perhaps they are picking up on other things. Dowsing relies on asking the correct questions and being very focussed, it is not easy. Perhaps through practice good method and testing, IMHO dowsing for anything is possible, pinpointing exactly what depends on the mind and method of the dowser. I'm also not very confident in your explanation, with hints. Tom
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2011-09-18 22:30
Tom ,the line was simply an image of a group all reacting ,ideally for believers , a staggered respone for sceptics , to the same influence of the water supply .
George
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ledgehammer
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| New Message Posted!2011-09-18 22:26
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On 2011-09-18 09:59, tiompan wrote:
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On 2011-09-17 22:52, ledgehammer wrote:
If dowsing can locate water, which it can then it can locate anything if the dowser is good enough. Tom
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That is the crux Tom and all we need is the evidence .
A line of blindfolded (to avoid influence )dowsers dowsing a field/public space/park etc which happens to overlie the mains water supply might be interesting or just find the buried lump of iron on a beach .
George
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George,
I am confused! The dowsing I am talking about isnt done in lines, and no other dowsers can see what the others are doing, no blindfolds needed! I was talking about larger structures, where you need to have more than one group simply to dowse the whole structure. If a dowser walked with another dowser then I could understand the results being biased, but this is not what happens, we do not hope to dowse things the mindset is purely that of detection, the only observations happen at the end when all results are collected, using graph paper to ensure scale. The mode of dowsing is different to the mode of objection, and recording, think of it like artist and scientist. It is difficult to grasp the art of dowsing as going into the correct modes (there are others other than the ones mentioned but for the sakes of highlighting my point have simplified it) can be challenging, it can be easy to flutter between these modes giving no real structure to the work, and the results count for less, I know this from personal experience.
Tom
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tiompan
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On 2011-09-18 20:33, cropredy wrote:
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"Blindfolded"
I give up.
cropredy
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OK you can look , but have you ever started ? i.e. found anything .
George
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Yes.
In the last five or six years I have though been a wee bit pre-occupied with working out how universe operates though, to be too bothered about anything else.
At the self same time I have to find enough goods to ensure My business and home operate .
Good job I can modulate at will between such diverse realities, and contend with a never ending wave of skeptism that is so strong as to be tsunami in force.
Anyway, onwards and upwards.
cropredy
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Does that mean you have or havn't found anything ?
George
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cropredy
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"Blindfolded"
I give up.
cropredy
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OK you can look , but have you ever started ? i.e. found anything .
George
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Yes.
In the last five or six years I have though been a wee bit pre-occupied with working out how universe operates though, to be too bothered about anything else.
At the self same time I have to find enough goods to ensure My business and home operate .
Good job I can modulate at will between such diverse realities, and contend with a never ending wave of skeptism that is so strong as to be tsunami in force.
Anyway, onwards and upwards.
cropredy
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2011-09-18 19:47
"Blindfolded"
I give up.
cropredy
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OK you can look , but have you ever started ? i.e. found anything .
George
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2011-09-18 19:24
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On 2011-09-18 09:59, tiompan wrote:
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On 2011-09-17 22:52, ledgehammer wrote:
If dowsing can locate water, which it can then it can locate anything if the dowser is good enough. Tom
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That is the crux Tom and all we need is the evidence .
A line of blindfolded (to avoid influence )dowsers dowsing a field/public space/park etc which happens to overlie the mains water supply might be interesting or just find the buried lump of iron on a beach .
George
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"Blindfolded"
I give up.
cropredy
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AngieLake
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|  New Message Posted!2011-09-18 13:52
Thanks for putting a link to the plans up Andy! 
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Andy B
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| New Message Posted!2011-09-18 13:27
Angie Lake's dowsing plans from Stanton Drew, 2004 can be downloaded here
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/download.php?op=getit&lid=165
(1.5MB PDF file)
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