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Runemage
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|  New Message Posted!2010-10-16 01:23
Thanks Frogcottage, it's always good to have the opinions of someone who lives on the spot and can give an acurate point of view from that perspective.
Being an outsider, it's so easy to criticise peoples' apparrent lack of interest when you don't know the full circumstances, so I apologise for that.
Maybe, just maybe, this financial crisis will have unexpected outcomes, fingers crossed they are along the lines you've suggested 
Rune
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frogcottage42
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| New Message Posted!2010-10-14 23:25
Thanks Rune for inviting me to comment.
I think it is unfair to blame the Irish people and accuse them of apathy, for the most part they elect people to represent them with genuinely good ( perhaps naive ) expectations and then are usually appalled by the inevitable corruption that follows.
The Third world style, tribal politics here glorifies the kind of politicians who abuse their power and despite being fully aware of the brown envelope system of administering land use the Irish people have up to now mostly looked the other way.
I don't think that a further threat to their heritage will change their views but the 30 billion euro bill to settle the banks unsecured debts to property tycoons and fraudulent bankers coupled with the proposed introduction of property taxes and water rates, reduced teacher numbers, cuts in health and welfare and the fact that Irish politicians have almost the highest gross income of any in the developed world may start a change in the degree to which the public will allow backhanders to govern their future.
Until that happens we will continue to build motorways past places like The Hill of Tara and construct them with ballast quarried from places like the Hill of Allen!
I must say also that during years of construction in the UK I saw many site destroyed and indeed the only way in which I helped was that all the ones I personally saw destroyed were well recorded and thoroughly investigated by 'proper' archaeologists.
STILL GONE THOUGH!!!
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2010-10-14 20:21
Hi Kevin,
That example is in a way worse than the ones I gave because it's the actual site which was destroyed even though they knew it was there.
I struggle to comprehend their mindset.
Rune
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Runemage
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| New Message Posted!2010-10-14 19:36
I know Vlad, the way the ancient places are ridden over roughshod and destroyed just to line the pockets of a few folks who see the opportunity and have no care for anything but their bulging bank-balances makes me sick.
The first campaign to stop this sort of thing was Thornborough Henges, here in England, the protests led by Venutius.
Then came the Tara saga, much of which mirrored the excuses about Thornborough, the fact that the works carried out would not touch the monument and a state of corporate deafness affected all concerned that the lands surrounding monuments contain treasure, not perhaps monetary, but unfathomable in the detail of the lives of the builders of the sites in question. Vincent Salafia was pilloried over his support for the protesters and shouted down by commuters willing to destroy all of that knowledge for 10 minutes off their Navan to Dublin commute.
See what you can find on Lismullen Henge, now obliterated but with no publication about the skeleton that was unearthed there, was it a dog?
I hope Frogcottage also comments on this, he lives over there and knows much more than me how the system is worked for the benefit of all except the ancient places.
I will never understand the Irish nation's apathytude throughout all of these outrages.
Rune
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2010-10-14 19:23
http://newton-le-willows.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=556&Itemid=1
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2010-10-14 19:17
Vlad, This is simply a continuation of a constant rape of our planet.
We are partly to blame for not revealing WHY these sites are sacred and were part of our ancestors whole way of life.
The megalithic community is partly to blame for been so totally insuler and most are happy to live in ignorance of WHY these sites were first ever constructed, and sort of revel in the MYSTERY of them, almost desiring that they remain a mystery.
If the real truth of these sites was revealed , then this would never occur as all the people would realise the connection to the living universe that We are part of.
This site has just come to my notice via TNA, it was quarried away for sand, and the geology is central to the megaliths.
http://newton-le-willows.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=556&Itemid=1
http://n-le-w.co.uk/history/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1413
There is some good archaeology records there of what was found, look at the urn lids, they were placed on top of each other in different times, the point is the point, look how there are NINE lines on one of them with the central line showing the point, there are vast clues in that link as to WHY it was built.
cropredy
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2010-10-14 18:33
What to say about a nation, which tolerates a devastation of its landscape`s most scenic environments, where its mythical roots are located!? Damn you; you`ve lost your moral right to pledge continuity with respect to the Fianna and Fionnīs traditions, in any social activity within Ireland.
See: http://www.globalwarming.ie/planning/official-mistake-cost-public-chance-to-object-to-hill-of-allen-quarry.html
[ This message was edited by: vlad on 2010-10-14 18:34 ]
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