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cerrig
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|  New Message Posted!2010-10-04 23:11
I see from the site page for Ty Isaf that the Captain has met the dogs. I can now confirm that they have changed tactics. Instead of chasing you off the mound, they now go and sit by your car, and wait for you to come back, and then say hello.
I went from there to ffostyll chambered cairns, where I had a run in with a cow.
Give me the open moorland and the ponies anyday.
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On 2010-10-04 22:23, cerrig wrote:
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On 2010-09-19 20:09, tiompan wrote:
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On 2010-09-19 20:00, cerrig wrote:
There are several more in the Black mountains group George. Whether they have all been excavated properly I don't know.
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I believe that there were only the three that had the results from teeth .btw Ty Isaf is a good example of the equinox being quite a way from east and west , due to the hills it's close to 103 and 257 degreees from the site .Not suggesting that there is an alignment but if there were .....
George
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I paid a visit to Ty Isaf today, and I think you may be onto something with the Eastern sightline. It would appear to be pointing at one of the peaks of the Black mountains. I'm not sure which one yet, but I'll check it out.
ps; did you know about the dogs before tempting me with this one.  
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Forgot to mention the biscuits .
No I wasn't suggesting an aligment Andrew the equinox is about 2 degrees north of the highest point of Myndd Lysiau .It was more to point out that the equinox can be a long way from 90 or 270 degrees when you have a site that is in a narrow deep valley .Can't remember what the original thread was about though .
George
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On 2010-09-19 20:09, tiompan wrote:
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On 2010-09-19 20:00, cerrig wrote:
There are several more in the Black mountains group George. Whether they have all been excavated properly I don't know.
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I believe that there were only the three that had the results from teeth .btw Ty Isaf is a good example of the equinox being quite a way from east and west , due to the hills it's close to 103 and 257 degreees from the site .Not suggesting that there is an alignment but if there were .....
George
[/quote]George
I paid a visit to Ty Isaf today, and I think you may be onto something with the Eastern sightline. It would appear to be pointing at one of the peaks of the Black mountains. I'm not sure which one yet, but I'll check it out.
ps; did you know about the dogs before tempting me with this one.
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cerrig
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| New Message Posted!2010-09-19 20:43
I will try and check on that this week George, but from memory it would be a bit of a neck strain to see anything.
Incidentally, a bit off topic, but I found what can only be a stone based long house today. Right next to a stream, as is the norm in the Beacons. About 11 paces by 6 paces. There is only the wall base left, and the stones look quite regular . The corner stones especially are definitely square shaped.
There is no record on Coflein, so I'm assuming it's a new find. There are other long houses in the next valley, but not within a couple of miles. I'm not sure of the date as the coflein info is a bit vague on the others. Could it be prehistoric, or more recent.
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On 2010-09-19 20:00, cerrig wrote:
There are several more in the Black mountains group George. Whether they have all been excavated properly I don't know.
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I believe that there were only the three that had the results from teeth .btw Ty Isaf is a good example of the equinox being quite a way from east and west , due to the hills it's close to 103 and 257 degreees from the site .Not suggesting that there is an alignment but if there were .....
George
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There are several more in the Black mountains group George. Whether they have all been excavated properly I don't know.
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On 2010-09-19 18:45, cerrig wrote:
The reason I mentioned the different outlooks of the monuments was that Ty Isaf is in a very different place than the others. In fact it's the only one I know of that is hidden away in a valley like it is. The only view is up or down the valley, north or south, whereas the others are very open. It's probably the only passage mound/tomb in the Black mountains that doesn't have a view of the mountains themselves. Come to think of it, it's the only one that is contained within the mountains, all the others are on the outskirts.
So you have an anomolous monument with anomolous occupants. Don't tell me there is no connection.
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Could be , but we only have the three for comparison .
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cerrig
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The reason I mentioned the different outlooks of the monuments was that Ty Isaf is in a very different place than the others. In fact it's the only one I know of that is hidden away in a valley like it is. The only view is up or down the valley, north or south, whereas the others are very open. It's probably the only passage mound/tomb in the Black mountains that doesn't have a view of the mountains themselves. Come to think of it, it's the only one that is contained within the mountains, all the others are on the outskirts.
So you have an anomolous monument with anomolous occupants. Don't tell me there is no connection.
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On 2010-09-19 16:42, frogcottage42 wrote:
I think the crux of the issue is that where we have so little to go on we should generally view these things as speculation and not try to read more into a situation that we do not understand than is reasonable.
That said, the more theories that are thrown about the more chance of tripping over a good one... just as long as they do not become accepted without question but I suspect that would never happen on the portal!
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It was never suggested as more than speculation , Howar was looking for suggestions to support something that Colin Renfrew was stuck on as he , obviously having thought about it and suggested , had little to go on . But the little evidence we do have to go on does suggest the likelihood of a differentiated society rather than an egalitarian one .
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I think the crux of the issue is that where we have so little to go on we should generally view these things as speculation and not try to read more into a situation that we do not understand than is reasonable.
That said, the more theories that are thrown about the more chance of tripping over a good one... just as long as they do not become accepted without question but I suspect that would never happen on the portal!
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