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Moderated by : Andy B , TimPrevett , coldrum , Klingon , MickM , TheCaptain , bat400 , davidmorgan , Runemage , SolarMegalith , sem Respond to:  The megalithic tradition of Sumba, Indonesia
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holger_rix



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 New Message Posted!2009-11-16 15:38   
andy,

it looks like every village on Sumba has 'megalithic' tombs.
I could pinpoint some of them with the good help of
the HP Grumpe pages,
http://www.hpgrumpe.de/reisebilder/index.html
but does it realy make sense to list some villages?

May be a single entry for the island as a whole will do?

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On 2009-11-12 18:44, Andy B wrote:
Thanks Holger, I would like to start adding these sites to our database. The long/lat location can be of the nearest village if that's all we can find. The site http://mapper.acme.com/ is very useful for this as you can easily get the long/lat of places by name





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 New Message Posted!2009-11-12 18:48   
Here's Aluta's link too so we don't lose it:
http://www.indonesianorphans.com/indonesia_mega.htm#Sumba

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 New Message Posted!2009-11-12 18:44   
Thanks Holger, I would like to start adding these sites to our database. The long/lat location can be of the nearest village if that's all we can find. The site http://mapper.acme.com/ is very useful for this as you can easily get the long/lat of places by name

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 New Message Posted!2009-11-12 17:40   


Great stuff Holger .

George

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 New Message Posted!2009-11-12 15:43   
On page 209 of the german book 'Großsteingräber der Altmark' is a small picture showing some hundred asians, 'Nias' from Indonesia, pulling an 8 ton capstone on a wooden sled.
I certainly wasn't aware that megaliths are still set up until today.
So I tried hard to find movies or pictures, and it wasn't easy. There is realy not much to find about those tiny islands.



The best pictures can be found on the site of german Hans-Peter Grumpe:
http://www.hpgrumpe.de/reisebilder/index.html
(click on 'Sumba', left side)

It is still tradition on Sumba to set up a stone tomb, right in the middle of the village, or near by the main family house.



http://picasaweb.google.com/dedi42

And even today, most of these tombs are set up by hand, with the help of hundreds or even thousands of people.




Tarik Batu (stone-pulling ceremony)
http://www.sumbaculture.org/batu.htm

Lots of background information is here:

http://ir.lib.sfu.ca/dspace/handle/1892/4192

'The Megalithic Tradition of West Sumba,
Indonesia: An Ethnoarchaeological
Investigation of Megalithic Construction'

by Ron L. Adams (2007)

Quote of the abstract:
"Megaliths have figured prominently in discussions of sociopolitical complexity and ideological systems in prehistoric societies, leading to a very wide range of interpretations concerning their significance. What has limited these discussions is the paucity of ethnoarchaeological studies of the living processes associated with megalith building. In this dissertation, I present an ethnoarchaeological examination of the continued traditional practice of erecting megalithic tombs in West Sumba, Indonesia. The construction of megalithic tombs has occurred for hundreds of years on the island of Sumba. The persistence of this practice to the present day, particularly in West Sumba, makes Sumba an incredibly unique context in which to examine megalith building and its larger social context from an ethnoarchaeological perspective. This ethnoarchaeological analysis of megalith construction in West Sumba approaches the subject from a political ecological perspective guided by the following primary objectives: 1) to examine the social aspects of megalithic tomb building in West Sumba in order to determine whether there are sociopolitical and economic advantages associated with the practice; 2) to investigate the household material signatures of megalith building; and 3) to develop a model for the sociopolitical processes that surround megalith building which can be applied to prehistoric contexts. Ethnoarchaeological data on megalith building and its social significance in West Sumba was collected in interviews and household material culture inventories. Analysis of this data indicates that megalith erection provides a visual representation of individual and group power and is enmeshed in a larger feasting economy through which power is achieved and relations are defined. From this analysis and a review of ethnographic accounts of megalithic cultures in other areas, I have developed a model which links megalith building to the power of individuals and groups in contexts of corporately controlled resources, relational power, competition over key resources, and the importance of group sociopolitical power."

http://ir.lib.sfu.ca/dspace/bitstream/1892/4192/1/etd2810.pdf
(thats a PDF with 522 pages)

For example, it lists the cost of such a tomb.
Like Case 21,
a 2.5m x 2.2m x 0.5m 7 ton capstone,
cost:

1 dog
21 chicken
24kg rice and coffee

Sliding capstone onto tomb:


Some pictures from
http://mercyindonesia.com/indonesia_mega.htm





At last, not related to Sumba,
a movie of a stone pulling:



[ This message was edited by: holger_rix on 2009-11-12 19:11 ]

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