On 2009-12-10 08:36, vlad wrote:
I`m impressed, cerrig, by the way you NAVIGATE in the borderland between Multitude and the Oneness. OK. there`s this 16-armed Macedonian Star, symbolizing a major sacred centre - as originally the Olympus Mt. of Thessaly, Greece. But if you took it for an ideal template and looked around for such a pattern in your terrain, you`d be lost, just as you wrote above.

What I do is looking forst for crossings of three straightline PATHS, which gives 6 arms around a centre. Now; at this moment we should discern between a single line and a path containing many lines inside and two broader borderlines. Some years ago I used to imagine such a path as a "pipeline". When entering a path, I had a feeling of leaning against a pipewall backwards and when leaving - as if I was falling forward against a pipe`s wall.

Self-standing single LINE can be defined as a parallel to a multi-line path, which lies at least at a distance,say - equal to the half-width of that path!? Now; if your single line lies closer, it means you could have missed the border of that path (pipeline), so recheck if that line isn`t the real borderline. Thus; a 6-armed crossing may consist of 3 single lines or of a bunch of lines contained within 3 "pipelines". (A mixed asymetric situation is not practically interesting) In the latter case, you`d get a central area not a point, from which you start inquiries around.

I think such kind of ponderings could bring an initial order to your results. But maybe I should add that without drawing your findings into a Google Earth photomap, you could not be prepared to meet further OBSTACLES. The rule of additiveness is the first of them. - When you go very fast, several thin lines are perceived as a one broader line. But also yin and yang are added automatically together - giving differentiated summaric values, depending on the speed of your transport or the scale of a photomap. Then, we have the Cosmic Breath, which blurrs the borders... but it`s not its main function.

So good luck in the continuation of your inquiry, cerrig.

[ This message was edited by: vlad on 2009-12-10 14:17 ]

On 2009-12-10 15:38, Peter-in-the-Peak wrote;

I wonder have you been specific about the types of monuments that you have included in your analysis? Are there particular features that each layer possesses such as monument type/age of monument/proximity to notable land features etc?

i have included all the local known monuments,and others that are not recognised as being anything. i had to really because they are all part of the pattern.
triangles seem to involve different types at each corner rectangles appear to involve mostly single stones,sometimes rows,with marker stones on the corners.
the main type of marker being single stones.
the age range would be probably thousands of years,mainly because older parts of the pattern have been reused in more recent times.
i would say that it was most likely to have been a developing thing,where different types were added when their time came. i don't think that the pattern is influenced by the geography,i think the reverse is true.

i get my info. from my own findings,and that generally entailed map reading and then walking the patterns to see what was there. and what i found was a pattern,not always the one i was looking for, but a pattern all the same,and it was marked with stones and other man made items.
***********could you give me an example?

an example would be a rectangle 1250 meters long by 430 meters wide, bearing 64deg true by 154 deg true. this is a repeating pattern.


do these lines coincide with any established ley lines?

i don't know of any kind of a survey that may have been done for ley lines or energy lines or anything of the sort for this particular area.that is why i asked sems mate peter to see if he could find anything,and hopefully kevin cropready in the future.

the pattern also seems to be linked,not rigidly determined,but quite solidly linked i would say, with astronomy and its cycles.this would seem to be a part of the picture,not the whole.there are probably other facets to the pattern too,not yet appreciated.as i said,its early days yet.
********* again can you give an example?

there are 2 striking examples i know of. 1 is a summer solstice stone and the other is an equinox mound. the summer solstice bearing was dowsed by peter although he didn't know it at the time. this bearing was crossed several times for a distance in excess of a mile,and stones that were encountered on the way were dowsed and a reaction was evident. the line continued to a recumbent stone that was a corner of the rectangle i have already mentioned. from this stone a line was dowsed that followed the 154deg bearing. this stone marked the point where the sun could be seen to rise from where we started our walk.
the mound is also part of the pattern but it has not as yet been dowsed. i hope to see that soon. i intend to post some photos of the mound and its foresight some time,but as they are over 10 miles apart high in the beacons its difficult to get the right weather,especially lately. from this mound the length of the year can be determined,including the extra 1/4 day.when i post the photo you will see how it was done.

peter, i have left out the bits i thought weren't needed here and just left in the bits that are, otherwise one post will end up being a page long.everything is still in the original posts.


cerrig

On 2009-12-10 03:24, cerrig wrote:
hi peter,hi vlad
much to discuss we have.
i could try to take up all your points, but maybe a bit more of an explanation of my thoughts on this whole pattern thing would be helpful. i would like to stress that that these are only my thoughts,gained mostly by observations and some rediscoveries.

the pattern is a multilayered affair.it isn't just one pattern,or at least,it can be broken down into layers. these layers are connected to each other in a geometric way.the different layers are also geometric in layout.
up to now i have found rectangles,squares,triangles,circles,and various polygons. all of these are of the regular variety.there is only one irregular polygon i have looked at in any detail,and this one is very special shape and probably the key to the whole pattern. by this i mean it seems to fit into all the other layers. i say seems to as this is early days yet so conclusions are a way off yet.nothing can be set in stone so to speak.
there are also possibilities of wave forms and spirals,but nothing concrete as yet.
********very interesting. I wonder have you been specific about the types of monuments that you have included in your analysis? Are there particular features that each layer possesses such as monument type/age of monument/proximity to notable land features etc?


when the various layers are put together it looks a right mess with lines everywhere.i believe this is where other grid pattern theories come unstuck. they are either so simplified into a single layer that many sites are missed and no explanation will really account for it. or everything is included in one birds nest and it makes no sense.
the layers are the key,and how they link together will account for the final picture.
you will probably find all sorts under earth energy grid on the net .i cant really recommend any as i dont know much about them. i get my info. from my own findings,and that generally entailed map reading and then walking the patterns to see what was there. and what i found was a pattern,not always the one i was looking for, but a pattern all the same,and it was marked with stones and other man made items.
***********could you give me an example?

so it is a rediscovery,not a new discovery.our ancestors who originallymarked it out knew all about it.it wouldn't be there to be refound otherwise.
***********makes sense!!

the energetic phenomena are largely a mystery to me,although a kind feller came along with Sem and waved his rods,and he found the same pattern,and stones i had previously identified as markers dowsed as being energised.this man knew nothing of the layout of the pattern beforehand,and he still doesn,t . i am hoping to repeat this with kevin cropready when it stops raining long enough. what was being detected is still a mystery to me,so for now i think calling them energy lines will cover it,until a more accepted term is found.
************do these lines coincide with any established ley lines?

i have found that in order to move forward with this i have often had to look backwards.from the bigger picture back to a more local layout and then expanding out again.its difficult to see very much at a large scale except the bigger picture,but the detail isn't there then.sacrificing one for the other doesn't work i find,both are equally important.(macrocosm-microcosm)

the pattern also seems to be linked,not rigidly determined,but quite solidly linked i would say, with astronomy and its cycles.this would seem to be a part of the picture,not the whole.there are probably other facets to the pattern too,not yet appreciated.as i said,its early days yet.
********* again can you give an example?

thanks for the overview, Cerrig.
Best
Peter


i hope this helps,as i said its just my thoughts up to now.

cerrig

On 2009-12-08 15:25, cerrig wrote:
hi peter
i was watching your posts there, i added a web address to help things along. i am very much of the same opinion as you about the siting of monuments being a very deliberate thing. my own particular theory revolves mostly around the reason for the siting to be a pre-existing one.

******I want to investigate the possibility that the siting of the monuments relate to the way the ancients used depictions of macrocosm/microcosm in their designs. And further that these positional relationship could then revael something of the method/knowledge of the monument builders
(examples with henges are given in 3000BC by Rodney Castleden. Also in ancient Taoist arts which used constellation shapes. The Pyramids and Orion's belt is another example of this though probably with a different agenda). I am also open to other ideas also!!

what i mean by that is that the site and its properties were already there,the monuments were then positioned there because of that.the overriding reason for the siting being the properties of the place. i'm not too sure at all what these properties are/where but i think we are probably talking about some kind of energetic phenomena.

*****I have seen some of the orb footage that Andy B posted. I have seen these types of energetic with my own eyes phenomena though not at any megalithic sites - rather at places i have been drawn to as having some sacred quality.

as this phenomena is laid out(i believe) on a geometric grid pattern ,anything sited on it would automatically conform to that pattern.and as this pattern is (i believe) probably everywhere then distances between sites would not be a barrier to being linked in a geometric way.

*****Thats interesting, could I ask what are the main sources on the net which describe this idea and how it came about?

as for accuracy,that is always a problem,at any scale. while it is important to be accurate,it is more important that the thing works and that the different parts fit together.being a finite size always comes secondary to that,and linking various things together will always involve some degree of compromise. just look at a car and all the different parts, would it become a figment of the imagination if one of the tyres was a different size,or missing.
anything that is made will always be full of errors,as perfection is only a theoretical thing,in reality it cannot exist.
the real skill is in making all those errors just the right size and in just the right place.

**********When i looked at the positions in terms of the distances that compare with the pendulum derivation of the Megalithic Yard the "errors" equate to precise amounts of kilometres and degrees. Thats why i thought it was so significant.
If i think about the idea of an earth-energy grid which the building of the monuments coincide with then I would expect that a geometric pattern even with small errors would reflect either intelligent design or the natural properties of the way the energy grid has been formed and operates. This latter idea does not seem off the wall to me - on a physical level such a grid exists within the way the magma in the mantle is moving due to convective currents as the earth strives to lose its heat into space. volcanic activity occurs in a hexagonal grid across the planet. Its the same type of grid that is formed in a pan of rice when the water reduces down below the level of the rice... and a cooking pot of rice giving off vapour just happens to be the Chinese pictogram for Chi - energy !!

Happily exploring
Peter

keep looking,and smiling.

cerrig