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tiompan
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|  New Message Posted!2009-09-19 21:36
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On 2009-09-19 19:22, Andy B wrote:
What is melodein?
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It allows you to treat analog files like midi files , which was never considered likely to happen for a very long time . It's not 100% but close . Video isn't great but it gives you an idea .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCiJ4eL7cU4&feature=related
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| New Message Posted!2009-09-19 19:22
What is melodein?
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| New Message Posted!2009-09-19 19:16
Something coming up next year:
Friday 26th February 2010
TEMPLES OF WISDOM: MUSIC, TRANCE STATES, COLOUR AND FORM, FROM EARLY MEGALITHS THROUGH EGYPT TO ROSSLYN CHAPEL TODAY
Karen Ralls
What has long been the connection between music and sound and the ancient belief that it often serves as a powerful catalyst for the alteration of consciousness - i.e., mind expansion? Why do certain temple rituals feature sound? Why did many ancient civilisations highly value certain musical intervals, specific rhythms, and acoustic properties? And what are the recent discoveries by modern scientists and medical experts? Join historian Dr Karen Ralls, musician and author of Music and the Celtic Otherworld, Indigenous Religious Music (shamanic), to learn more about certain megalithic sites, Pythagorean theory and Greek sites, early mystery schools, Egyptian temples and sound, and Rosslyn Chapel today, exploring their relationship to sound, geometric proportion, and other key correspondences - many of which have, for centuries, been believed to enhance human consciousness and greater awareness of a spiritual, expansive dimension to the mind. While ancient shamanic or priesthood's concept of an 'Otherworld(s)' dimension - and its vibrational/sound aspects as used in many mystery schools - is well-known to us today from anthropology, what is now emerging is growing confirmation from scientific and medical studies in our own time about the effects of sound/music, rhythms, and mantic incantation(s) on the human mind and consciousness. From Plato's quote that "Music gives..wings to the mind" to 1960s Grateful Dead drummer Mickey Hart's comment that music takes "the mind and spirit to places unknown...and nothing is too weird for the muse". What will your quest reveal?
Karen Ralls, PhD, historian and musicologist, was postdoctoral fellow at the University of Edinburgh and is author of The Templars and the Grail, Music and the Celtic Otherworld, Indigenous Religious Music (SOAS), and more. She plays flute and Celtic harp; for more information please see http://www.ancientquest.com
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tiompan
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On 2009-09-18 08:27, Rich32 wrote:
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On 2009-09-17 21:49, tiompan wrote:
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On 2009-09-17 21:33, mynd wrote:
I'm learning flamenco guitar and it's quite complicated musically - but absolutely demands passion in order to sound right. We need the human touch, innit. But then how does electronic music like euphoric trance work? That lifts people's spirits and it isn't all to do with drugs. All sorts of techno music are very popular... I wonder is there some primal aspect to pooter music or are people moving away from their humanity? Perhaps a bit of both. Some is emotive and some isn't. (does emotional music have quite an effect on you?)
Sigh - I'm indulging in online mulling again.
btw Sem - no I took no offence, honestly
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Cubase used to have a melody generator and there was also a prog called band in a box that would create solos in the style of "you name it famous rock /jazz artists " nobody would have been moved by these but machine generated sounds manipulated by a human(s) can create the same emotions as experienced with more "organic" sounds .
George
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heck George, old Cubase, I used to run Creator on an Atari ST for my electronic bleeps and blips in '92.
Its worth noting that back in the early days of trance / aceeeed / rave etc. The preferred sound was from 70s & early 80s analogue synths because of their warmer, imperfect sound, some drifted out of tune. Old synths like Minimoog, Roland Jupiter 6 & 8, TB303 and even drum machines like TR808 & TR909 used to fetch hundreds / thousands £. The new pieces of kit at the time, were thought too perfect, too digital for dance music.
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I managed to flog my old ST for more than I paid for it .
Now you have melodein which seems to do the impossible .
George
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On 2009-09-18 10:38, davidmorgan wrote:
Isn't it more about allowing the masses a little pleasure in order to more easily control them? -
"The time of ENTHUSIASM derives from the fact that there is at hand an eminent man who is in sympathy with the spirit of the people and acts in accord with it. Hence he finds universal and willing obedience."
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Isn't it more about that than what? It's saying that music has a power over people that if carefully used, can be harnessed. But all of the hexagrams are metaphorical - otherwise they would be of very limited use instead of all encompassing.
I don't think the mention of music means what you suggest. The hexagram itself is about entering the spirits of the people, so that they can be led without resentment. Make them want to follow, instead of having to force them. To me, that would require a more proactive approach than simply letting them have some fun - though that would be a part of it. It's about the battle speech, the ceremony - national pride, inspiration, camaraderie - the things that make people want to fight / work for their country / god / king. And music is a very powerful tool for bringing all of that together.
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On the subject of music - the I-ching has something interesting to say - in the hexagram 16: ENTHUSIASM |
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Isn't it more about allowing the masses a little pleasure in order to more easily control them? -
"The time of ENTHUSIASM derives from the fact that there is at hand an eminent man who is in sympathy with the spirit of the people and acts in accord with it. Hence he finds universal and willing obedience."
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davidmorgan
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Old synths like Minimoog, Roland Jupiter 6 & 8, TB303 and even drum machines like TR808 & TR909 used to fetch hundreds / thousands £. |
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Is my Ensoniq ESQ-1 worth anything? I got rid of the JX3P years ago.
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On 2009-09-17 21:49, tiompan wrote:
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On 2009-09-17 21:33, mynd wrote:
I'm learning flamenco guitar and it's quite complicated musically - but absolutely demands passion in order to sound right. We need the human touch, innit. But then how does electronic music like euphoric trance work? That lifts people's spirits and it isn't all to do with drugs. All sorts of techno music are very popular... I wonder is there some primal aspect to pooter music or are people moving away from their humanity? Perhaps a bit of both. Some is emotive and some isn't. (does emotional music have quite an effect on you?)
Sigh - I'm indulging in online mulling again.
btw Sem - no I took no offence, honestly
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Cubase used to have a melody generator and there was also a prog called band in a box that would create solos in the style of "you name it famous rock /jazz artists " nobody would have been moved by these but machine generated sounds manipulated by a human(s) can create the same emotions as experienced with more "organic" sounds .
George
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heck George, old Cubase, I used to run Creator on an Atari ST for my electronic bleeps and blips in '92.
Its worth noting that back in the early days of trance / aceeeed / rave etc. The preferred sound was from 70s & early 80s analogue synths because of their warmer, imperfect sound, some drifted out of tune. Old synths like Minimoog, Roland Jupiter 6 & 8, TB303 and even drum machines like TR808 & TR909 used to fetch hundreds / thousands £. The new pieces of kit at the time, were thought too perfect, too digital for dance music.
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chimera
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| New Message Posted!2009-09-18 07:25
Celts wore enemy skulls on their belt. Probably ancestor-warrior skulls were kept for status value. Now a good skiffle drum rhythm on a resonant resonox skull using leg-bones would amplify his valour.
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| New Message Posted!2009-09-18 05:48
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On 2009-09-17 22:15, mynd wrote:
Thus the ancient kings made music
In order to honor merit,
And offered it with splendor
To the Supreme Deity,
Inviting their ancestors to be present.
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The last line could be a hint to the practice of exhumation of remains(sacred/revered??) at ceremonies...just an idea.
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