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Forum: Stones Forum
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Respond to: 75,000 year old Bantu stone circles
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mikecroley
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|  New Message Posted!2009-03-19 06:14
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On 2009-03-08 22:59, brigantia wrote:
Hi Ishtar!
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On 2009-03-04 13:22, Ishtar wrote:
...And finally, speaking as a shaman and Reiki Master...
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Ishtar - you are not a bloody shaman. Pleeeez.....getta grip! You don't know how much you ruin your notions of credibililty with others in different investigative strata by declaring such things. A Reiki Master - be my guest! But no way a shaman. Simple as!
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Hi Paul, is Credo Mutwa a Shaman?
mike
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-18 21:35
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On 2009-03-18 20:13, sem wrote:
I'm with you on this Tiompan.
I strongly believe that astronomy played a part in the building of most monuments but I don't think it will ever be proved scientifically. It's like trying to prove an FA Cup Final was brilliant. The winners always think it was a classic, the losers enjoyed it and to the rest of us, it spoiled Saturday afternoon TV.
It's all very well to use a computer programme for alignments but, like football or live music, you've got to see it to appreciate the effect it has on people.
Cheers
Sem
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I don't have a problem with remote surveys although there can be problems but this is a case where there is no alignment i.e. the stones are recumbent and from them they have extrapolated the date from where they may have stood mirroring Orion . Thats the least of the it .
George
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-18 20:13
I'm with you on this Tiompan.
I strongly believe that astronomy played a part in the building of most monuments but I don't think it will ever be proved scientifically. It's like trying to prove an FA Cup Final was brilliant. The winners always think it was a classic, the losers enjoyed it and to the rest of us, it spoiled Saturday afternoon TV.
It's all very well to use a computer programme for alignments but, like football or live music, you've got to see it to appreciate the effect it has on people.
Cheers
Sem
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-18 19:32
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Thanks for link,Kev.I did not knew this method.
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This should also be in the mysteries section . Just seen the author on youtube , quite funny and essentailly sub Sitchin . His co author thinks the circle may be only 25,000 years old and of course the date is simply derived from three recumbent stones ,which if stood in the places where they had fallen , would , just like pyramids across the globe , mirror the shape of Orion's belt which could only be seen ovdirectly over where they would have stood 75,000 years ago . The astronomy will probably prove to be bogus anyway but they are basing the age on three stones that they assume to have been erect despite the fact that they don't have socket holes which would tell the placement and depth , played about with red shift and voila . That's the least of potential criticism which I can't be bothered with .
George
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Thanks for link,Kev.I did not knew this method.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-16 20:47
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090316093629.htm
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-16 19:11
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On 2009-03-06 08:54, tiompan wrote:
Hi Mick , sorry Sem ,missed this . Ther's also AMS "accelerated mass spectroscopy ?) which I seem to remember held out some hope of dating rock art particularly if it had a patina .
George
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"ablated mass spectroscopy" rather?
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bat400
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On 2009-03-09 17:38, ryszard wrote:
With so many circular structures, each with stones so packed together in the periphery, touching one another in fact, it is not surprising that "alignments" are found.
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I think this point is important. Enthusiasts for sites with large numbers of potential target stones (some of them quite small and insubstantial) may be obscuring the importance of very viable alignments of major solar calendar events when they theorize a site captures as many alignments and "sacred geometry, Reiki symbolism and the Phi factor or golden ratio of 1,618" as Johan Heine has claimed for these sites.
Similar disagreements can be had with other recent sites in the news, like the Majorville Medicine Wheel, which now seems doomed to be known as "Canada's Stonehenge" http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=22751 They are definitely ancient sites - the question is just how ancient, and whether all the attributes claimed for them are proven (or even "prove - able").
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-09 18:36
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On 2009-03-09 17:38, ryszard wrote:
With so many circular structures, each with stones so packed together in the periphery, touching one another in fact, it is not surprising that "alignments" are found. These can use the stones, or the gaps or cracks between them, or both. Any budding astronomer with a computer programme indicating the change in star positions over time should be able to find an aligment for anything, from Orion, through the Southern Cross to the Greater Magellanic Cloud and all the stars inbetween right round the circumference of the night sky.. As well as all the obvious sun- and moon-ruled events.
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Dead right .I didn't bother even checking the astronomy , when you introduce stars of first magnitude with a range of five centuries a third of the horizon can be considered significant .
George
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-09 17:38
With so many circular structures, each with stones so packed together in the periphery, touching one another in fact, it is not surprising that "alignments" are found. These can use the stones, or the gaps or cracks between them, or both. Any budding astronomer with a computer programme indicating the change in star positions over time should be able to find an aligment for anything, from Orion, through the Southern Cross to the Greater Magellanic Cloud and all the stars inbetween right round the circumference of the night sky.. As well as all the obvious sun- and moon-ruled events.
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